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Post by newby on May 22, 2024 7:42:06 GMT
Yorkshire's last chance to get a win on the board in the first half of the season. Northants look to be stronger on the batting side so it might be a long 4 days if there is little in the pitch for the bowlers.
Possible XI. Lyth, Bean, Masood, Wharton, Hill, Tattersall, Bess, Thompson, Leech, Fernando, Moriarty.
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Post by davemorton on May 22, 2024 13:01:38 GMT
Revis? 100% selection for me, either instead of one of the spinners, or ahead of Thompson in a four-pace attack. Matt's only downside is lack of experience, and there's only one cure for that.... Top fieldsman too.
We don't know how well Fernando bats, but he looked solid in the nets at Hove, the six or ten balls I saw him face!
I hope we can find a place for Luxton, somehow, soon. It's not obvious how, even though Bean looks a bit out of nick. Wharton batted particularly well, as did Tattersall, who was probably the most composed of all, excepting Lyth and Root.
Are we expecting a 500-all bore-draw? I have booked a two-night stay, i.e. 3 days, travelling down Friday morning. Then that's the end of top cricket until Scarborough on June 23rd. A month, in high summer! Yes, club cricket, of course, the lifeblood of the game. Otherwise, I've got a trip to Devon, Beer (the seaside village) via Bristol, for a bit of photography and whatever else is available, and doable, at 80.
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Post by newby on May 22, 2024 15:37:43 GMT
I hear what you are saying about Tattersall but I think his batting has been generally disappointing this season, so far. Whether the shot that got him out in the 2nd innings at Hove was a good option or not he played it badly and got himself out at the worst possible time in the game.
He's averaging 31 so far with a high score of 58 which doesn't compare with other keepers in the division such as Bracey, Simpson and Brook Guest.
Averages aren't everything of course and we've had quite a lot of runs to play with in the games we have drawn. But when the chips are down, when he's been really needed at Hove and at Lords he hasn't delivered.
I wouldn't advocate dropping him for this game but I think having had half the season there is an argument that Duke should be given the other half.
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Post by slowleftarmer on May 23, 2024 7:38:33 GMT
Tatts does have experience which the team might need in the next few games as we see Root depart.
The other factor may be which keeper is better standing up to the spinners if we end up with a double spin threat
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Post by newby on May 23, 2024 8:07:32 GMT
From what I've seen this season Tatts keeping has been pretty much spot on and he looks a heck of a lot tidier than he used to. I would hope Duke has improved his keeping too.
If Donovan Ferreira is given the gloves in the T20 blast team there is the chance we won't see Duke until the One day cup to be able to judge. That would be another year gone in Duke's career with little to show in terms of experience gained except for the 2 game CC loan to Essex.
Unfortunately decisions about players aren't often straightforward, unless they are so good they jump out of the pack and make everyone take notice.
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Post by slowleftarmer on May 23, 2024 8:56:36 GMT
A few years back we had another promising young keeper, Barney Gibson. Perhaps pushed too soon, perhaps he found interests away from cricket, but the promise and potential shown as a 16 year old sadly did not materialise to benefit YCCC. I hope the same does not apply to harry Duke
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Post by davemorton on May 23, 2024 8:59:25 GMT
I am a huge fan of both Tatters and the Duke of Wakefield.
I would say that Jonny's keeping has improved so much as to put him on a par with the likes of Richard Blakey, and his batting is similar, too. Those who go on about averages will always find a bullet to fire, but it's difficult to average high at 6, especially if you don't play for your average with not outs. Either you go in at 400 for 4, and your innings is irrelevant, or at 40 for 4, when it's bloody difficult out there. An innings of 20 can be worth 80, as was the case at Hove.
I have seen Duke several times in 2024, opening the batting and keeping for the 2s. His keeping is 'clunkier' than Tat's, and I suppose his batting is the same. He has been opening, and scoring consistent runs. I am sure he would have done the same for the 1s on the same flat tracks, but perhaps not at Lord's or Hove.
We have two very good keeper-batsmen, about 7 years apart (? - without checking), and one of them may have to go to achieve a f-c career. We have problems, but wicket-keeping is not one of them. Two little gems, lettuce land.
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Post by slowleftarmer on May 23, 2024 10:34:33 GMT
i would play Tatts as keeper in the T20 too - he is a busy sort of player, always very alert, and his batting is underrated - he used to skipper and open for England Under 19s but faded away before resurrecting his career as a keeper when we had a gap to provide back up (ha ha...) to Bairstow
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Post by donnylad on May 23, 2024 10:56:20 GMT
I recall Duke's efforts when he first appeared post lockdown. He wa one of the players, along with Hill, Revis, Thommo who kept us in matches and one or two others who filled in and have been 'let go'. It is starting to look as if he is being offered the nasty end of the stick and Revis perhaps as well.
Nothing like a bit of good player management is there .... now who should we ask about that aspect of the team?
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Post by davemorton on May 23, 2024 13:02:34 GMT
Perhaps it might be worth asking Duke, Hill, Revis, etc about whether they feel their careers are on the right track, before we start blaming a coach for something that might be okay anyway.
General consensus at matches seems to be that Bess is next to be shown the door, but is that true? We won't know until it happens, or doesn't happen. The bottom line is that players are responsible for their own performances, but the coach's responsibility is to get the best out of those players. There's an old fashioned view that fear of being dropped / released is just the spur players need. Brian Sellers style management. It wouldn't be my way, and I hope it isn't OG's, or any of the other coaches' way.
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Post by donnylad on May 23, 2024 13:59:58 GMT
I am not blaming the coach ... I ask a genuine question.
The 'recent difficulties' were caused in no small part I believe by a failure of club and team general management to see, hear, understand and then influence what was going on.
I don't want to see that error repeated in a climate that ought to be different. It just is not a good look. I remember my dear friend Brian C, a long departed Barnsley lad, describing his opinion of the Sellors School of Management and the deleterious effect it had on the team.
We (the club) cannot do anything directly about duff signings, injuries, T'undred. the E* C* B*s, the weather.
When we are struggling with injuries, some loss of form, our best players being elsewhere or not available, looking after what we have and being careful in how we manage them is essential.
My question remains .. who has the task of looking after the people ... and I use that term rather than saying 'players'.
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Post by tykemania on May 23, 2024 14:44:24 GMT
Development of young players is a tricky one, and we find ourselves in a trickier position than most because we provide so many players to the England team, and therefore have a number of players playing knowing they may not really be the first choice. Where I think the current regime have it wrong is in failing to visibly back players - there is a good interview with George Hill in the preview to this game and he mentions batting everywhere from two through eight - kind of reminds me of the struggles one B Stokes had in his early Test career! Sometimes you have to give a player like Hill a clear role and accept that that may mean that your international players shift to fit on the odd weeks when they are available.
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Post by tykemania on May 23, 2024 15:36:03 GMT
Squad is up, its the last 13 standing. Lyth, Bean, Masood, Hill, Wharton, Tattersall, Bess, Thompson, Leech, Fernando, Moriarty, Revis, Luxton.
Not sure where 20 wickets are coming from there, I have to say.
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Post by karma on May 23, 2024 15:41:30 GMT
I can't and don't analyse the game or players to the same degree as other members on this forum.
However I know what I like ( from what I've seen) and that includes Bess, Luxton and Duke who don't seem to feature much . Against SACA this week Luxton and Duke captained one game each I think. Luxton top-scored in both innings for Yorkshire (44 and 49 I think) and I like Duke's batting and increasingly his keeping. He is a cheerful chappie and constantly encourages team mates, you can hear him chirrupping away from the longest boundary. As for |Bess , I just think he does everything pretty well including adding strength to the batting.(bowling and fielding) Hill for me is an automatic choice .
As somebody said , words to the effect ' we want experienced players (or players to gain experience) though the only way to ensure that is to play them'
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Post by newby on May 23, 2024 16:00:23 GMT
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