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Post by tykemania on May 28, 2024 10:42:28 GMT
The only problem with Lyth's bowling - and I'd be offering him the five years anyway if he wanted them, probably the captaincy too - is that the more he bowls the worse that kink in his arm seems to get.
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Post by donnylad on May 28, 2024 11:14:40 GMT
Tatts had a wobble when Revis following orders was banging them in at leg and middle short. Some flew, some didn't. If you are going to bowl like that against a batsman who will have a go then you need 2 deep behind leg and one at square half way back and a deep third man and half way point for the ones the batsman slices the other way.
There were a couple of in the air shots that went towards fielders but as far as I could tell they had too much ground to make up. You do not need cover and extra cover mid wicket and mid on deep enough to give a single every ball. There was nothing being hit down the ground - not surprising off the length being bowled - so bring the field up and have fielders where you need them.
The stumping change I saw wasn't - Vasco had a wind with a bit of flat bat at a wide one and got a bottom edge to ground that went through Tatts legs for 4 runs.
But that's all water under the bridge now.
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Post by davemorton on May 28, 2024 12:14:49 GMT
Tatts' worst mistake was missing the stumps with the ball in his gloves, and the batsman yards out.
He is allowed mistakes, and he makes very few of them. His agility gets him to chances that others (i.e. Bairstow and Buttler, to name but two) would not reach.
The occasional brilliant catch apart, a wicket-keeper is judged by his mistakes. Rightly or wrongly. He is also the hub of the fielding team, the giver of energy, the slave driver, even. Jack Russell would be your number one, in that respect.
The mistake yesterday was born of this really stupid coaching idea - Duncan Fletcher, I think - that it's quicker to catch the ball in front of the stumps, then turn round 180 and break them. I have seen other keepers miss the stumps - Matt Prior at Adelaide, memorably - or trip over them. I have no problem with a keeper leaning over the stumps to catch, and redirect, the ball onto them. That seems a good idea, and you could run out to intercept a wild throw, but always starting from behind the stumps, from where you can judge the angle.
How this idea caught on, and is still being coached, I have no idea.
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Post by newby on May 28, 2024 13:00:13 GMT
Perhaps the idea of catching the ball in front of the stumps would stop being coached if the rules were that the ball is deemed dead once it has broken the stumps, or more accurately once it has dislodged a bail.
I suspect that the idea is that only if the keeper is 100% certain the ball is going to hit the wicket and the player is sure to be short of his ground can you risk taking the ball standing behind the stumps, especially in white ball cricket. If the ball hits the wicket and the player has made his ground the ball may ricochet anywhere gifting the batting side extra runs.
Poor old keepers have nowhere to hide now everything is being streamed, with the added bonus of slow motion replays in Vistavision.
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Post by byased on May 28, 2024 14:23:18 GMT
Yes, I would retract any criticism of Tattersall. I know only too well (after doing the job for 40 years), that some days the focus is not quite there. Looking back to the bit I saw on the Saturday, when I thought Fernando was too quick for him, I think he was probably just having a bad day, which carried over into the second innings. A bit like goalkeepers, it can be a mugs game, any mistake gets magnified. Standing up particularly, when you often do not actually see the ball if the batsman blocks your view, but anticipate its trajectory. Looks great when it hits the middle of your gloves, but a fraction out and it looks untidy. Baffled by Masood though. Surely he has played enough cricket to get the basics correct, and to read the game better.
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Post by donnylad on May 28, 2024 19:44:28 GMT
Thank you byased, newby and DM. I didn't see the miss you describe DM and the argument about where to catch the ball has always been around. I always took the ball behind or to one side where possible. As another many years protagonist of the mad fielding position (ask my knees) there are just some days when it doesn't work. Things don't stick, you mis-time catching a fielding return and your hand hurts for a couple of overs, short balls fly past you, other times it run along the ground, travels past4 feet above your head and still rising etc. You don't always get the rub of the green.
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Post by davemorton on May 28, 2024 21:00:03 GMT
Well, DL. I reckon I kept wicket perhaps four times in my life! The first time when I was 40, and I had turned up to watch Prestwich 3rd XI and to have a drink on a gorgeous Sunday afternoon. The keeper had failed to turn up, and they were a man short, so I volunteered. I also had some gloves in my car, the Manchester Schools' team bag, and I wore my batting inners.
The highlight of my season, almost, as I got a stumping! I was reasonably tidy, just twice getting done by seam movement and low bounce. We had one guy with a rocket arm, and I remember it hurting, even catching them cleanly. Then I opened, and failed with the bat, and we lost. Some bloody first teamer!
It was a lot of fun, and I wondered why I had not done it before. But then, we had a superb keeper on the 1st Team, and I had loved my 10 or 12 years in the covers...which were well in the past at 40. I still have as many happy memories of fielding, as I do of batting. Throwing the stumps down from 20 yards was particularly orgasmic.
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Post by donnylad on May 30, 2024 14:03:06 GMT
I really enjoyed keeping as well as fielding in various places for various teams. I was a decent first slip and gully but my arm wasn't up to fielding in the long grass but I was a tidy extra cover.
I enjoyed getting batmen out, very much. we held a single wicket competition one year and two if us kept for alternate matches. I got 2 catches off inside edges standing up the medium pace first XI bowlers - their idea not mine - and 2 legside stumpings off some dross thrown up by the first XI skipper. That got me a run in the first XI ... until my form with the bat went off a bit.
Still - a nice to remember though.
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