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Post by newby on May 6, 2024 11:35:02 GMT
It looks like another one of those all too familiar scenarios, especially at Headingley. I'm resigned to a draw.
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Post by donnylad on May 6, 2024 14:44:16 GMT
The Man With The Golden Arm strikes with the last ball of the session!"
In effect they are 64 for 6 ...... Come on lads!!
Oh my - he has done it again!!
Harris looked out on 750 resolution despite the attempt by one of the commentators to discredit the decision.
Thunder and lightning!!
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Post by tykemania on May 6, 2024 15:22:17 GMT
Seven down, and the extremely dangerous pace of Lyth and Bess has been deemed too dangerous for a guy who has been batting for a day. Cricket does shoot itself in the foot sometimes, does it not?
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Post by newby on May 6, 2024 15:23:47 GMT
Too little too late I think and now lightning takes the players off. They've plugged away but with little success and the 4 wickets to fall have gone to the batters who bowl.
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Post by donnylad on May 6, 2024 15:27:57 GMT
It is the lightning that has driven them off TM rather than the light.
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Post by newby on May 6, 2024 15:36:08 GMT
Yes, some suggestion that the laws state they have to wait 30 minutes after lightning before bringing the players back, which is about 29 minutes too long.
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Post by karma on May 6, 2024 16:25:30 GMT
It wasn't the lightning that led the players off, it was the two Glamorgan batsmen. After a couple of flashes of lightning, I estimate over 15 miles away and the far side of Leeds, while the game was in play the two batsmen just walked off without speaking to or consulting the umpires(who just watched them open-mouthed) or the Yorkshire players
The latter stayed on the field at their positions and watched again m a bit open-mouthed at the 'welch' men, (intentional mis-spelling) while nobody on the terraces moved and several shouted, "is that a declaration or what? Are you not coming back?" Perhaps they don't get lightning in Africa or Wales but they ignored everyone especially the umpires .
Perhaps the Glamorgan coach had coached them how to ignore everyone and just walk off. Strange and quite honestly more than a bit rude.
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Post by davemorton on May 6, 2024 16:59:58 GMT
Karma - it was very dark, the first flash of lightning seemed not too close, then a second one could have been inside the Trueman enclosure. Big claps of thunder too, had been for a few minutes, and it was definitely the umpires who led the exodus.
Of the 24 wickets to fall, seam accounted for 3 (Coad, Hamza and Harris, one each), there were 2 run outs, and spin did for the remaining 19.
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Post by karma on May 6, 2024 17:56:38 GMT
Yes I know, I was there too. In fact it was the two batsmen who walked off first without as far as we could tell any discussion or reference with or to the umpires or other players. There are ways of doing things.
Maybe it was the crowd, the umpires and Yorkshire players who were all wrong, still standing there or sitting on the terraces and in the latter case shouting at the departing Glamorgan batsmen,"Is.that a declaration?"
I would normally take my lead from the umpires when they come on the field for start of play or leave when play has finished. I assure you the batsmen were off before anyone else moved but that was my perspective from the NE Upper
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Post by byased on May 6, 2024 21:53:19 GMT
It is does not say a lot about Moriarty or Bess that Lyth and Root took the wickets today. Despite the thunder and lightening it looked doubtful that a win would be forced. Fisher seems a perennial problem. I suspect a few years ago, and with less thought about players welfare, he would have been shown the door. Hopefully he will get fit one day. I only saw him bowl a couple of overs in one of the earlier games, possibly Bristol. Sir Geoffrey could have put his pads on without any fear of being dismissed by him. It was very innocuous stuff he was sending down. Have we no pace bowlers in the set up?. Coad is a more than useful first change, but we appear to have no first and second to allow a first change.
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Post by newby on May 7, 2024 8:16:30 GMT
Fisher's injury on the 3rd day was caused while chasing a ball to the boundary, rather than his usual long list of bowling injuries. It could have happened to anyone and hopefully he will be back soon. I do think it is becoming apparent that in order to keep him on the pitch he has to operate in a lower gear than he his capable of, which doesn't make it ideal that he is sharing the new ball with Coad.
Having said that we do though have maximum bowling points for the 5 games we have played, and once again it's getting the wickets in the second innings, the first innings against Derbyshire, when the oppositions backs are up against the wall and they have gone fully defensive where we stumble.
The weather hasn't helped, neither has the new normal of pitches getting better and better the longer the game goes on. When condemning our bowlers we shouldn't lose sight of the calibre of players who have held us up, Ingram, Northeast, Bracey, Madsen etc. these aren't mugs with a bat.
Next game is against Sussex, where we are without Root and Brook, so go in as underdogs for a change against the leaders. Perhaps the Hove pitch will be prepared to get a result and we can see what we are made of.
If we could bring in an experienced overseas quick bowler, even if only for the next two Championship games I wouldn't be against that.
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Post by slowleftarmer on May 7, 2024 10:18:44 GMT
Yes the Fisher injury was unfortunate and similar to the Dom leech one a couple of years ago when it was whilst fielding and chasing a ball that it occurred as opposed to the Milnes injury which seems to arise as a result of bowling and is more of a owrry to me
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Post by davemorton on May 7, 2024 12:53:44 GMT
All very frustrating, in so many different ways. We can do nothing about the weather, except to play the game in summer. In the 'old days' this would have been the first game of the season, not the 5th. The pitch is tied in to the weather, but I am not convinced there is any desire to produce a fair one, bat v ball, or an interesting one. We know the ECB does not want that. If only we could have had one as spicy as my lunchtime samosa, from across Kirkstall Lane!
The bonus points are another problem. Brian Close would have declared at around 350, with a lead of 130. From there, there would be two ways of winning: bowl them out, and knock off whatever runs were needed. If that was 300, so what? Closey never had the luxury of a batting line-up as strong as this one. That failing, there would still be time for a declaration and run chase on the final afternoon. Do the maths!
By batting on and on....and still on....we condemned the game to drift and die. Yes, it was pleasant in the sun, watching Brook and Tattersall gorge themselves on weak bowling. Lovely batting, gorgeous, except that Harry seemed to lose his timing the longer he stayed. Perhaps having a public net failed to stir the juices?
We might just have done it, with a bit of luck, two or three freak run outs instead of one. Closey's attack of Trueman, Nicholson, Illingworth, Wilson and himself would probably have found a way. But even they would have found it tough on this turgid pudding.
Thank goodness we don't play cricket at Headingley again until near the end of the season.
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Post by donnylad on May 8, 2024 19:37:31 GMT
I really did not enjoy the end of this match. we seemed to be happy to score in singles at one stage then a bit of a hit and then back to singles. Whatever happened to a bit of long handle and then a declaration?
The pitch is so poor - it doesn't do anything - just right for the Bird Ball and loads of runs - see Wrong Key's exposition about that.
Moriarty and Bess ..... each turned one or two but not sharply enough and not with any real bounce. I think they could play again on that track tomorrow and still not get a result.
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Post by davemorton on May 9, 2024 11:28:31 GMT
I watched carefully to see how often our four (!) spinners managed to drag the batsmen forward. Not often, was the conclusion.
But it's difficult. As a spinner, you want the batsman playing forward. It therefore follows that the batsman prefers to play back, except to the half-volley. On a slow pitch you can play back to almost anything that isn't a half-volley and, with runs not important, that is what Northeast and Ingram did. They camped on the back foot, watched it pitch, counted up to ten, then played it when it eventually arrived.
You can't do that when the pitch is quick, but this one was low and slow...and crap. Dare one say, the type of surface Rob Key batted on for his entire career at Canterbury and Tunbridge Wells. I have never seen one decent game of cricket in Kent.
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