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Post by newby on Feb 20, 2024 17:19:01 GMT
Nicholson was a caricature of an MP bought to life. He wouldn't be out of place in a Dicken's novel.
I think overall it went quite well, despite her pronouncements at the time I thought the Chair behaved in a reasonable manner. I'm not sure what purpose it all serves to be honest.
I watched some very senior civil servants being questioned recently, they clearly didn't have a clue, showed anybody watching that they didn't have a clue, and left, no doubt back to their desks to carry on doing their jobs without a clue.
CG was nervous but got through without losing his temper, and thankfully not succumbing to the offer to phone Azeem Rafiq for a heart to heart.
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Post by tbsteve on Feb 21, 2024 4:02:27 GMT
I can't understand the logic of the committee. When was AR last employed by the club? How is anything that happens to his parents in 2024 the responsibility of those running YCCC? Of course the attacks shouldn't happen, but does YCCC now need to insert itself into every single racist incident and offer 'support' 'encouragement' 'thoughts' on social media?
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Post by newby on Feb 21, 2024 9:21:59 GMT
Is this part of the culture war I keep hearing about. Some people think it would be the natural thing to do for CG to phone AR.
It's true, if you say it a certain way you can make it sound appalling that he hasn't actually done it.
If you try and imagine actually doing it, and think it through then I think you would be equally appalled if he had done it.
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Post by karma on Feb 21, 2024 16:38:12 GMT
I would be appalled at the hypocracy. There's no love lost between these two. To me it would be the height of insinceraty too.
Rafiq has had his apology. Move on.
Besides ,the club's strapped for cash , phoning Dubai would cost a fortune.
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Graves
Feb 21, 2024 17:05:27 GMT
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Post by hawke on Feb 21, 2024 17:05:27 GMT
I don’t bring myself to watch this and only scan summaries. I notice our young friends at the BBC headline Graves not finding it appropriate to phone Rafiq. Graves has said enough to keep current sponsors onside and not enough to admit racism. I think the phrase is, words to the effect, apologies to anyone who has suffered………which can mean if anyone has….which can mean I’m not convinced by the narrative…. of course detractors interpret that as an admittance… sceptics don’t
I don’t think Graves trusts Rafiq on this. And as Rafiq has spoken out against Graves in the way he has, then why would he phone him. Indeed not appropriate. Good coverall word.
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Graves
Feb 21, 2024 22:16:22 GMT
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Post by karma on Feb 21, 2024 22:16:22 GMT
The BBC, The Cricketer , all concentrating upon the non-phonecall. Good grief , Graves has important things to do to get the club onto a sound financial footing.
That apart why does the media not focus upon all the work Yorkshire has done and Graves has promised to continue? Same for the MP's making up the committee. Carpetbaggers.
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Graves
Feb 21, 2024 23:35:28 GMT
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Post by hawke on Feb 21, 2024 23:35:28 GMT
I think we would find YCCC, the YCB and the Yorkshire Foundation have done lots and lots of excellent work across all communities for years.
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Post by davemorton on Feb 21, 2024 23:54:09 GMT
Of course they have, but facts can't be allowed to get in the way of a good publicity campaign. Even Ian Botham is under attack from these zealots. Everyone knows who Botham's best friend was, and how outspoken he has been against racism, all his life. But now he's seen as another middle aged white man to have a pop at. He's old, and he's white, and he's set in his views...obviously he's a racist and an opponent of progress. QED.
For a lighter view on the subject, have a look at BBC's new comedy drama, set in a posh school, which has been forced to take in some inner city black kids, following footage of a group of 6th formers throwing champagne over a beggar. I laughed all the way through.
It's called 'Boarders', and the first episode was last night, I think, but that - and the whole series - is on iPlayer.
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Post by slowleftarmer on Feb 23, 2024 12:28:58 GMT
Yes Botham turned down the rebel tours to South Africa out of loyalty to his friendship to Viv Richards, and said if he had gone he could never have looked Viv in the eye again.
People need to look at the whole picture and not 1% of it that suits their agenda to come up with their argument
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Graves
Feb 28, 2024 21:33:36 GMT
Post by karma on Feb 28, 2024 21:33:36 GMT
Hidden away and perhaps overlooked behind news of YCCC's Board meeting announcements yesterday was the following on-line teaser:
"The Cricketer understands that Colin Graves, who has returned to power at Yorkshire, is seeking to re-engage former CEO Mark Arthur in a consultancy role" according to George Dobell 27/2
I think it's entirely sensible to make sure you have access to experienced and trustworthy advisors. Whether there's any truth in this flyer, it being from from Dobell , who knows? . I don't on balance have a problem with Mark Arthur, Graves might have some other purpose such as a replacement for Vaughan. Another kite takes to the air 🙄
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Graves
Feb 28, 2024 22:40:38 GMT
Post by newby on Feb 28, 2024 22:40:38 GMT
You will be able to read all about it Karma as you are a subscriber. Do you have to wait for the magazine or do you have access to the 'Subscriber only content'!
I've never seen the magazine. I sort of imagine worthy articles about the lack of cricket in state schools and the shocking way ordinary kids are priced out of taking the game up, followed by several pages of Adverts for Independent schools specialising in cricket for it's readers children.
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Graves
Feb 28, 2024 22:55:52 GMT
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Post by karma on Feb 28, 2024 22:55:52 GMT
Apart from Dobell the magazine is not too bad, lots of content few adverts( my daughter pays for the monthly subscription as a rolling birthday present)
There is a separate pay wall , I think £3:99 pm for the on-line content , which I decline to pay. I appreciate the on-line headline is a teaser
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Post by davemorton on Feb 28, 2024 23:55:47 GMT
Many, many years ago, when The Cricketer was edited by CMJ, it re-printed an article by me...about cricket in state schools, as it happens.
I was up in my classroom, teaching, when the lady from the office - Jean Sutcliffe, lovely no-nonsense lady, and as Manchester as a rain shower - phoned to say there was a funny man on the line, wanting to speak to me. "I don't understand anything he says. I don't even understand his name!"
Anyway, I gave him permission to print my article, for which I was paid £25. Nice surprise.
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Graves
Feb 29, 2024 8:00:43 GMT
Post by karma on Feb 29, 2024 8:00:43 GMT
Editor-at-Large of the Cricketer, Simon Hughes was sacked from the magazine in November 2021 for his 'soft' comments concerning (alleged) racist comments made to Azeem Rafiq. Hughes' angle and one that I share , is that you had to look at 'context' of comments and explained other dressing room comments as 'banter'. Following a 'social media storm' and feedback from staff he was removed from the cricketer by the owners.
The staff included Dobell. From that moment on I lost some interest in the Cricketer and had my subscription not have been a continuing present from my daughter I would have cancelled it. I still read it however - this month's issue (March) contains an excellent interview with Graves (which should have been the interview the Select Committee gave) and a bit of an in depth look at Cricket Finance in which I don't think Yorkshire were actually named
I like Simon Hughes , but I don't like or subscribe to a cancel culture on him or anyone else , including Rafiq.
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Graves
Feb 29, 2024 9:55:57 GMT
Post by slowleftarmer on Feb 29, 2024 9:55:57 GMT
Yes I get the monthly magazine version. i used to get it for my parents as a Christmas present and then when my Dad died and my Mum ended up just piling them up behind the sofa for me to bring home, i switched to get it sent to me direct.
Its a good read generally if on a long train journey, flight etc covering all forms of cricket, current and past. The odd article will rankle but then the Graves interview which funnily enough has not grabbed as much external attention as other Graves related articles was enlightening and it was of course direct quotes from Colin, from his time at Dunnington where he played, bankrolled the club who then hired Collis King and Alvin Kallicharran and where his Costcutter business had its head office, through to his initial YCCC involvement, the ECB years and of course his return and the racism issues/comments.
Its interesting that there has been little response from Rafiq or Dobell to this article perhaps as Graves has taken Dobell to court in the past I believe for comments he has made and perhaps a recognition from both that Graves has deep pockets and could defend himself in a court, kangaroo or otherwise, as Vaughan did, and perhaps this would bring out more that others have been reluctant to say or have been gagged from saying by NDAs.
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