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Post by hawke on Sept 21, 2024 9:08:29 GMT
Surrey have found the knack of winning winning winning despite international and white ball call ups. Yorkshire has played its part in this through Gareth Batty, who ought to have been a long term Yorkshire player.
Undoubtedly they have drafted in talent from near and far. Recruitment recruitment recruitment. But local talent has also come through. We need to look very closely at our two available overseas slots.
But no I donβt like them either and when MF joins them that feeling will only increase.
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Post by tykemania on Sept 21, 2024 11:15:28 GMT
How much of that local talent gets a chance though?
They have a couple of decent homegrown seamers - Tom Lawes who we saw at Scarbados a couple of years ago and Nathan Barnwell. One has played 5 games this year, the other none. Matt Dunn I think made one appearance. Because they've signed (deep breath) Worrall, Roach, Abbott, Overton, Clark, Topley, Jordan, Taylor from elsewhere (as well as two Currans and McKerr who came from Southern Africa in their late youth).
And anytime they're challenged, they fly Shakib Al-Hasan half way around the world for a single game.
Bit different from our Championship winning side using Andy Hodd and Rich Pyrah as makeshift openers, eh?
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Post by byased on Sept 21, 2024 16:33:51 GMT
"Money doesn't talk, it swears" π + π° = π It's probably that I'm more than a little jealous. So, sincerely congratulations to Surrey County Cricket Club, it's employees and supporters π That sounds like a line from one of Alan Hull's songs. Pipedream if anyone has the album.? Surrey are well managed and take every competition fairly seriously. They may have money, but that presumably has come from somewhere, and has not been squandered. There are no rules to say players have to be born in any particular part of the country. I don't know why we don't just forget all that, county cricket has not been about where you are born and bred for many many years. On the couple occasions I have visited the Oval to watch Yorkshire I have found their supporters to be very friendly and knowledgeable, and , above all, welcoming. It seems the playing side have a similar ethos. Perhaps we could learn a thing or two from them?
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Post by donnylad on Sept 21, 2024 16:57:49 GMT
I agree about Slurrey. They use money like Manchester United did on the 80s. They buy in players so that others do not have them. They could provide a pair of decent opening bowlers to three or four county sides.
So what do these blokes do with their time? Only 11 players per side per game. Do they spend their 'working hours' in the fleshpots of SW8?
In the dim and distant past I remember Beachcomber's Anthology of Huntingdonshire Cabmen being read out by Michael Redgrave on a Spike Milligan TV show in the mid to late 60's.
Here is the Anthology of Surrey Bowlers written by Donnylad in the early 2020's.
Abbott; Atkinson; Barnwell; Curran S; Curran T; Clark; Dunn; Jacks; Johnson; Jordan; Kimber; Lawes; Majid; McKerr; Narine; Overton J; Roach; Robinson; Stuart-Reckling; Sykes; Taylor; Thomas; Topley; Viridi; Worral.
Why dos they need Fisher?
Well here is a possibility ... Matthew Fisher has a Development Contract.
Managing Director of England Menβs Cricket, Rob 'Wrong' Key, said: "We are rewarding those players who we expect to make a significant impact over the coming years playing for England. It is great news and a credit to the players for demonstrating their commitment to English cricket in the ever-changing landscape of the sport.
So Surrey buy them and ECB pay Surrey for the use of their players - that is also rewarding - simples innit?
So the only place to develop a bowler is at .... Surrey ... take your place in the Anthology Mr Fisher.
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Post by tykemania on Sept 21, 2024 17:10:50 GMT
Surrey are well managed and take every competition fairly seriously. They may have money, but that presumably has come from somewhere, and has not been squandered. I went to Lords recently and, amidst a lot of waffle in an ECB junket, spend an enlightening ten minutes with one board member. The interesting thing is where that money comes from - Surrey are the only county guaranteed international cricket including a Test match every season. Everyone else has to bid for the right to stage a match in a competitive auction, with the most attractive games parcelled so that you pay one rate covering say an Ashes match and a game against Bangladesh. Thing is, the rate Surrey pay the ECB is significantly lower for their guaranteed games, and structured in the way that there is no risk to them from rain, Bazball etc.
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Post by byased on Sept 21, 2024 17:28:31 GMT
I assume Middlesex do not see much of the Lords money, does that all go into ECB coffers? I suppose The Oval is an attractive place to stage cricket, being where it is, and with a huge population on the doorstep, and easy transport links. It more or less guarantees a good turn out for whatever competition and for whatever opposition. I just caught five minutes of the cricket on the radio today and it happened to be Vic Marks complimenting Surrey on how they treat the four day game with respect. He said it would be easy for them to focus entirely on the games and competitions that fill the ground, but they don't. DLs observation on numbers, highlights that there are possibly too many professional sportsmen these days. Footballers often command eye watering incomes for sitting on a bench, or making the odd cameo appearance for 10 minutes or so. What do they do for the rest of the week? Salaries are normally the biggest expense for any business, so why do counties who appear to be struggling financially have so many players on the books|?
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Post by tykemania on Sept 21, 2024 18:27:18 GMT
The revenue from Lords games goes straight to the MCC, Middlesex see none of it.
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Post by karma on Sept 21, 2024 18:47:28 GMT
"Money doesn't talk, it swears" π + π° = π It's probably that I'm more than a little jealous. So, sincerely congratulations to Surrey County Cricket Club, it's employees and supporters π That sounds like a line from one of Alan Hull's songs. Pipedream if anyone has the album.? Surrey are well managed and take every competition fairly seriously. They may have money, but that presumably has come from somewhere, and has not been squandered. There are no rules to say players have to be born in any particular part ofΒ the country. I don't know why we don't just forget all that, county cricket has not been about where you are born and bred for many many years. On the couple occasions I have visited the Oval to watch Yorkshire I have found their supporters to be very friendly and knowledgeable, and , above all, welcoming. It seems the playing side have a similar ethos. Perhaps we could learn a thing or two from them?Β Β Β Β Bob Dylan's " it's alright Ma...." I understand, because of it's location , density of population and obscene level of subsidised transport systems that Surrey makes more money from conferences, exhibitions and entertaining at the Oval than it does from cricket. In fact I further understand that Surrey would still make a profit if there were no supporters admitted to the ground. This cash cow will pay massive dividends with the sell-off (sell out) of the π― naming rights with zYorkshire's return beingbpaltry in comparison. Money goes to money as does a guaranteed Ashes Test match
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Post by davemorton on Sept 21, 2024 22:18:03 GMT
I don't see any point in whingeing about Surrey. They are what they are; an incredibly opulent, commuter belt county of small towns and pretty villages. Exactly the communities where cricket is played. If The Oval is also a money-spinner in the Big City, so what? As for subsidised transport, that's Socialism isn't it? Red Ken. Our current not-so-red PM is from one of those little towns, though I suspect the poor people of Reigate have to choose between the Porsche and the Range Rover rather than decide which bus to catch.
The Surrey members are fine, welcoming and friendly, and they publicly demonstrated against The Hundred and the franchise teams.
So there you are, I agree with Byased. (It was bound to happen one day.)
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Post by byased on Sept 22, 2024 17:17:00 GMT
Eh up Dave, surely no room for conciliatory behaviour on t'corridor. What would Seth have said? Actually, just to differ slightly, am not sure London's transport system is down to socialism. Most large capital cities around the world have affordable transport systems. I would say tourism rather than socialism. London's is relatively expensive compared to some. But London does do it very well, the underground is a modern masterpiece. I suspect I would tire of it if I had to use it every day, but love using it on my visits there. The bus system is pretty good too, as is the overground rail network.
I had a claim to fame a few years ago, being the only one who answered a particular question in a quiz I was in. What is yellow and shaped like a tangerine?
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Post by hawke on Sept 22, 2024 17:30:30 GMT
Another positiveβ¦..about Surrey CCC. The Oval is a very historic setting and the club likewise. They do mark/note/celebrate their history and players all around the ground All interesting reading and viewing.
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Post by davemorton on Sept 22, 2024 19:29:33 GMT
To put it another way, the people who run Surrey care more about their team and its heritage than do the people who run Yorkshire.
Members, in each case, would be about the same. We are proud of our past, enjoying the present, and hopeful for the future.
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Post by karma on Sept 22, 2024 19:46:48 GMT
I don't see any point in whingeing about Surrey. They are what they are; an incredibly opulent, commuter belt county of small towns and pretty villages. Exactly the communities where cricket is played. If The Oval is also a money-spinner in the Big City, so what? As for subsidised transport, that's Socialism isn't it? Red Ken. Our current not-so-red PM is from one of those little towns, though I suspect the poor people of Reigate have to choose between the Porsche and the Range Rover rather than decide which bus to catch. The Surrey members are fine, welcoming and friendly, and they publicly demonstrated against The Hundred and the franchise teams. So there you are, I agree with Byased. (It was bound to happen one day.) Whingeing? I don't think so Dave. I can whinge with the best if I want to. Trying to be factually correct and congratulatory towards Surrey CCC and it's supporter? Absolutely. I find supporters welcoming everywhere. I enjoy talking with home and away ones wherever I go Jealous? Yes I've already said that π Oh by the way it was a Conservative government that empowered Transport for London to be in charge of , well , transport in London but uniquely in these Isles, with the power to borrow money and which other areas don't have. It's expensive though, about 3 times per head of population spent on transport as 'Up North'. And free travel from age 60 ( for Londoners only) not having to wait until State pension age (like everywhere else) π π π ! NOW I'm whingeing
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Post by davemorton on Sept 22, 2024 22:25:04 GMT
I couldn't care less. I may go to watch Yorkshire at The Oval (if...and if...) next season, in which case I will stay at the Battersea Travelodge and go in - free - on the bus each morning. I like that area and the people, as much as a loath the area around Lord's.
To clarify: if we get promoted, and if we play Surrey a) away, and b) at The Oval. Apart from the rain, I enjoyed my trip to Guildford a few years back.
Apart from the bus pass, I found the tube expensive last time I was down there, and possibly the worst travel experience I have ever had, packed like a sardine into uncomfortable and dirty carriages, getting off at stations without toilets. It's grim down south.
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Post by slowleftarmer on Sept 23, 2024 8:20:21 GMT
In the summer when i was down in London for the first test at Lords v the Windies, the best mode of transport we used was our feet and then the riverboat taxi from visiting the Maritime Museum to returning to Westminster Bridge. Stuff the tube and the buses....
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