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Post by newby on Aug 26, 2024 7:41:32 GMT
After early season concerns about the bowlers struggles to get 20 wickets in a match it's nice to face a game when the most pressing issue looks to be who to leave out of the attack.
I would pencil in 8 without much hesitation: Lyth, Bean, Wharton, Luxton, Bairstow, Tattersall, Hill, Coad.
Then it's 3 from 5, if as suggested Fisher is fit and is bowling well enough for selection: Bess, Moriarty, Fisher, Thompson, Revis.
Was it suggested that the Kookaburra favoured the spinners, I can't remember, if so it might be 1 from 3.
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Post by hensonsprman on Aug 26, 2024 10:28:43 GMT
Newby I cannot see why you think Tattersall is a "shoe in" when YJB is keeping for me Tommo plays instead of him.
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Post by karma on Aug 26, 2024 10:51:29 GMT
I suppose in Shan Masood's absence there's always the question of who replaces him . I think at the moment Tatts has to remain first choice, he hasn't done anything wrong , in fact the exact opposite in being a key part in winning CC games. Good fielder too and pro-active in the field 🏏
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Post by newby on Aug 26, 2024 13:31:34 GMT
Tattersall is never a shoe-in as far as I'm concerned, but we are where we are and he has been designated to Captain the side in Shan Masood's absence.
Evidence seems to point to him being pretty good at it so I'd leave it for now.
If Bairstow came back full time then Tatts wouldn't get a look in for the first team, in my opinion.
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Post by tykemania on Aug 26, 2024 15:52:52 GMT
I think that depends which first team you are referring to. The "everyone is here" first team is one thing (Lyth, Bean, Masood, Root, Brook, Bairstow, Hill plus four bowlers?) but with Root and Brook likely to play no more than three games each at the start of next season (and in Brook's case that will depend on whether India has forgiven him) and Masood in and out whilst he remains a part of the Pakistani test team, I think Tattersall is worth a spot.
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Post by donnylad on Aug 26, 2024 15:55:50 GMT
Well, YJB has got the chop from England white ball cricket and so providing he doesn't get lured away to play for Brocken Bank North Sea Fishermen or Aberdeen Herring Hunters in the (as yet not announced) Dogger Bank Beach Cricket Premier League or some similar gash concoction then he should be playing for YCCC.
Tatts is Captain, end of. He can and has produced some more than useful scrambles for runs towards the back end on an innings.
YJB keeps, Tatts captains and judging by what I little I saw it was a triumvirate of Lyth, YJB and Tatts who were rolling the dice recently. Tatts has seen all the bowlers, close up, in line, good spella and bad and it seems to me he has the knack of manipulating the attack.
Lyth, Bean, Wharton, Luxton, Bairstow, Tattersall, Hill, Coad select themselves.
Fisher is going - I would not select him, Leech ditto, so Thompson gets the nod with 2 from Bess, Moriarty and Revis.
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Post by karma on Aug 26, 2024 17:55:14 GMT
Well, YJB has got the chop from England white ball cricket and so providing he doesn't get lured away to play for Brocken Bank North Sea Fishermen or Aberdeen Herring Hunters in the (as yet not announced) Dogger Bank Beach Cricket Premier League or some similar gash concoction then he should be playing for YCCC. Tatts is Captain, end of. He can and has produced some more than useful scrambles for runs towards the back end on an innings. YJB keeps, Tatts captains and judging by what I little I saw it was a triumvirate of Lyth, YJB and Tatts who were rolling the dice recently. Tatts has seen all the bowlers, close up, in line, good spella and bad and it seems to me he has the knack of manipulating the attack. Lyth, Bean, Wharton, Luxton, Bairstow, Tattersall, Hill, Coad select themselves. Fisher is going - I would not select him, Leech ditto, so Thompson gets the nod with 2 from Bess, Moriarty and Revis. Agree with all you say donnylad , especially Tatts as captain based on his recent performances. Of the bowlers , Thompson is a given and of the 'two from', I'd go with Bess and Revis partly because they both are better batters then Moriarty (despite his superb 2nd innings at Scarborough) but because Revis has put in some good all-round performances too. If Bess was left out again , it says to me the club is trying to force him out or persuading him to leave and I don't want that. His fielding is better too and he can bowl |
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Post by tykemania on Aug 26, 2024 18:31:24 GMT
Left field but...would we rest Bean?
His form has been so so, Luxton (or Hill, whose batting results seem to correlate perfectly with his place in the order) could step up, and we may prefer the sixth bowling option with the kookaburra, especially when four are genuine all rounders.
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Post by newby on Aug 26, 2024 20:31:47 GMT
Bean has been a little disappointing but he's a player capable of scoring big runs and next week could be when he comes through. He also pulls his weight as a very good slip fielder. He took a couple of crackers this week at Scarborough.
Media dissection of the Kookaburra suggests it spins and bounces more, but swings less than the Duke. That would suggest it would suit 2 spinners and probably Revis over Thompson. Then again you'd be loathe to leave out Thommo because of his enthusiasm and ability to conjure up a wicket from nowhere.
Whereas Sussex's main strength was the bowling I would assess Middlesex as a stronger batting side, therefore the idea of a 6th bowling option is not unattractive.
I'd be hopeless as a selector, I'd tie myself up in knots just trying to pick a 14 man squad.
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Post by davemorton on Aug 26, 2024 21:14:26 GMT
Well, none of us has seen the pitch at Headingley yet, and there is the Kookaburra factor, so two front-line spinners might be the way to go. Otherwise, it's 'same team' for me, and add Bess to the squad, just in case.
The seamers dovetailed well at Scarborough. Thompson has rediscovered his fire, and had a big game, as did Coad. Revis was possibly second only to Ben, and our tallest and quickest; George and Matt kept up the pressure the opening bowlers had applied. Keeping Sussex down to 2.5 per over in both innings was a key factor in our win, and Moriarty played a big part in this, also.
Under Tattersall, our team-spirit and fielding shone through, and we looked the better cricket team throughout. Sussex did not field like champions; they were poor, very poor.
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Post by tbsteve on Aug 27, 2024 6:49:49 GMT
I feel that when we have 6 bowlers, some are underused as the cap has too many options. For me, Lyth, Wharton, Luxton, YJB are nailed on and then two from Bean/Hill/Tatts. I'd probably go with Bean and Hill but think OG will stand by our temporary captain and go with Tatts. Hill seems to be struggling with the bat at the moment. His best form seemed to be a couple of years back when he opened. Could he push up to No 3 or should Hill and Bean be competing for the openers spot?
Bowlers? Coad is the pick of the attack, Thommo can make things happen, and Bess is our best spinner. Then 2 more from Revis/Moriarty/Fisher(if he's fit, why not use him while we're paying his salary?)/Cliff.
Team I'd like to see: Lyth, Bean, Hill, Wharton, Luxton, YJB(w), Bess(c), Thommo, Fisher, Coad, Moriarty
Team I think OG will pick: Lyth, Bean, Wharton, Luxton, YJB(w), Tatts(c), Hill, Revis, Thommo, Coad, Moriarty
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Post by newby on Aug 27, 2024 8:15:50 GMT
Much as we like to speculate and Kookaburra ball or not, as DM says we haven't seen the pitch that has been prepared at Headingley yet. It's been a while since a red ball game has been played there and who knows what to expect.
Last time out Bess and Moriarty took 4 wickets each and spun Glamorgan out cheaply first time round. We then scored a mountain of runs(Bean/Root/Brook) but despite our expectations couldn't manage to force a win, despite having 138 overs at them.
The Seamers were largely redundant with Bess, Moriarty and Root bowling lots of the overs.
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Post by davemorton on Aug 27, 2024 12:48:45 GMT
Fisher has three early wickets on what looks a very lively track at York.
Ironically, we're playing Surrey, where Fisher is going. Would you be tempted to play him at Headingley, on what is likely to be a very different surface? And with (let's be honest) the likelihood of him breaking down?
You will gather that I wouldn't play him, but in-form and firing, he is probably still our best on a flat one. Tough one.
Equally tough, if we go down the two-spinner route, we must omit a seam bowler (which one?) or a batsman (which one? - but definitely not Tattersall. That would be insane, and unprofessional).
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Post by tykemania on Aug 27, 2024 13:45:53 GMT
Fisher may be our best seamer, apart from Coad, but I would not play him at this stage of the season. I am not as annoyed at his decision to leave as I was when it was announced (the word "traitor" may have been uttered on a few occasions, given everything the county have done for him through years of sporadic availability) but I would still rather see players who are actually committed to the club.
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Post by hawke on Aug 27, 2024 14:43:41 GMT
A few random thoughts
It’s such a long time since the previous CC fixtures, and so much in between, that I’d completely forgotten we won 2 on the trot so now 3.
I suppose on paper Bean and Moriarty did not obviously contribute runs and wickets v Sussex. But Bean was top class with catches and Moriarty pinned them down and actually made some runs so yes a true team effort.
Any chance Sussex were side footed by Hughes coming in to replace Pujara next season?
Indeed Masood had a grim experience leading Pakistan.
YJB’s video on the Yorkshire site (or maybe on Facebook) was interesting, moving and encouraging.
Things have been so down at YCCC for so long I find if hard to envisage a recovery/promotion but we are now in the frame.
I see Lancs are in a scrap at the bottom of Div 1. Wonder if Anderson will play if it gets tight at the end.
Fisher’s recent injury is not related to previous problems I think which is probably why Surrey are taking a punt.
I see McKerr took wickets for Surrey. Is he still a left arm option for us?
Tom Loten made 80 for Notts 2nds yesterday but has not I think broken into their first team despite their struggles.
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