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Post by hawke on Aug 30, 2024 14:05:21 GMT
Made it! to the ground…And they have just gone off! Never seen Yorks reach 600 and as soon as they did came the declaration. I had hoped to see 2 days but will have to make do with one and a half sessions. Arrived at 2.40.
Very busy on the NE Upper so came to the NE Lower and it’s too hot for me. I will seek shelter in the Howard Stand.
Hadn’t checked the scores before I arrived in case Middlesex were 150 for 0. Was v surprised to see we had only lost 1 wicket. Mx had 5 men on the boundary and ones were there for the taking. Not intense. Then Bess went big with a 6 and a 4 and 600 was briefly on the scoreboard.
Out they come. Robson and Stoneman. Experienced pair. Lyth regarded it as the easiest Headingley batting track he’s ever experienced. I may have arrived at the wrong time…..
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Post by newby on Aug 30, 2024 14:44:10 GMT
Sussex made a similar declaration and now have Derbyshire at 31/4.
If the Headingley pitch is so flat I'd have gone on batting for a world record.
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Post by donnylad on Aug 30, 2024 16:47:03 GMT
We score 600, you score 600. Spin at both ends after 7 overs. I presume this is what Wrong Key calls good cricket. The batsman really has to make a bad mistake to get out on here.
That said, Bess spun one past and got Stoneman's edge and it looked as if he had got 2 in 2 but the edge was low and seemed to clip Tatts left pad below the knee and went down to wards Lyth.
Lyth is having a few overs near the end I wonder why Tatts didn't give George Hill just a few overs earlier - Kookaburra and dead pitch or not, he does have a bit of a golden arm at times.
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Post by newby on Aug 30, 2024 19:55:15 GMT
We've certainly been here before and how much is due to the Kookaburra ball experiment and how much the use of the hybrid pitch who can tell.
Hybrid pitches should be reserved for white ball cricket only as far as I am concerned.
The Captain seems to have made up his mind that spin was the only way very early on. He may well be right but I'd like to have seen a bit more from the seamers, just to confirm it, especially when plan A didn't seem to be having the desired effect.
Tomorrow is another day.
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Post by hawke on Aug 30, 2024 20:50:42 GMT
I sat in four different places today to try and make a difference but it didn’t seem to work. Indeed the impression is currently of a very very high scoring draw. So not interesting. Pleasant to be out at the cricket but hardly compelling viewing.
YJB was talking to people in the field and we tried various fielding tactics, especially at the start with six men on the square in front of the wicket to Coad. I was surprised too that seam was not tried again in the last half hour. Enjoyed watching Moriarty from behind his arm but with no end result.
From a competitive point of view this match is currently a lost cause. Not good for players or spectators.
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Post by davemorton on Aug 30, 2024 21:36:48 GMT
Lovely day, good crowd, and if there were any newcomers to cricket they are unlikely to come again, which will make Rob Key happy. You could score a century and not enjoy it much.
Some turn from Bess did for Stoneman, and almost got Holden first ball. Just the occasional one after that, and some low bounce, on this desperately slow pitch, gives a glimmer of hope. I will attend the morning's play tomorrow, with Plan B Wharfedale firmly in mind.
It rankles with me that a modest club ground like Scarborough can put on a game where the players can showcase their talents, where batsmen and bowlers are tested, and the crowd feels intensely involved; but at HQ, where Graves has wasted millions of our pounds, the game is torture to watch.
Here, where men sit and hear each other groan; Where palsy shakes a few, sad, last grey hairs, Where youth grows pale, and spectre-thin, and dies; Where but to think is to be full of sorrow And leaden-eyed despairs....
Keats must have passed through Headingley on his way to Death.
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Post by newby on Aug 31, 2024 7:24:00 GMT
I was going to travel over today but I'm afraid the prospect of a slow day watching the lads toil as Middlesex slow accumulate has put me off. I shall use technology to keep in touch with how things are going while keeping across all the other cricket, football and RL going on.
There's always hope of a breakthrough of course but we need about 19 breakthroughs and it's difficult to see us managing to keep our 100% bowling points record going in this one.
Listening to TMS, Michael Vaughan was speculating whether YJB might consider seeing out the season with Yorkshire in order to secure an overseas tour spot to Pakistan and New Zealand.
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Post by newby on Aug 31, 2024 20:24:31 GMT
Hope springs eternal, well it did until about mid afternoon when all hope was lost and it was a case of going through the contractual motions.
Some showers possible tomorrow and I think the weather gods would be doing everyone a favour by directing them towards LS6.
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Post by byased on Sept 1, 2024 10:55:57 GMT
I know the choice of ball and pitch is very relevant in killing a game like this, but I think the rules need changing. 100 or 110 overs should be enough in any game for the first innings. The scoring rate has increased in recent years, so teams can still score 400 to 500 in that time. A sport that lasts four days, but after two days only one of the teams can win is a nonsense.
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Post by newby on Sept 1, 2024 11:29:41 GMT
Some wickets falling this morning, possibly overhead conditions assisting the seam bowlers.
It's a poor pitch of course but we may have let the pitch and the Kookaburra ball get to us, we probably could and should have had them out by now and been in a position to enforce the follow-on. I doubt we would have got the 10 wickets on the final day but we would have been able to put some pressure on them now that batting conditions have changed.
I'm not against some limit on first innings. 110 overs is the cut off for bonus points so that looks the natural place for the first innings to close.
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Post by newby on Sept 1, 2024 14:48:47 GMT
Chucking it down in Huddersfield (Live Rugby league on the BBC) so it shouldn't be too long before it gets to Headingley and ends this one.
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Post by davemorton on Sept 1, 2024 15:16:09 GMT
Big own goal scored by ECB. One of the few sunny days of the season, two good teams with everything to play for, good crowd day 1 - and we get served up this rubbish. The tragedy is that it was a deliberate own goal, a transparent attempt to harm County cricket and to ruin the summer for supporters.
ECB get 80% of the blame, for the ball, and for their insistence on a plastic pitch; but even with an orange, you would expect more bounce in a dry August. Days 2 and 3 would have been interesting, with bounce. As it was, it was lovely to see the young leg-spinner, then our two, spinning it with men round the bat. I enjoyed the keenness of day 3 morning (more than the Bairstow / Hill massacre of day 2). The edge was found, but no carry, and ultimately no chance for anyone.
A disgrace and, as someone pointed out in the ground, we were asking for a pitch like this when in relegation trouble in 2022, but we got a result pitch and a low-scoring defeat. Who does the groundsman work for?
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Post by karma on Sept 1, 2024 17:45:31 GMT
I was there for most of the four days ( I actually came looking to say hello Dave Morton , catch you next time) I think a lot has been said about the wicket and the ball. I don't really appreciate all this 'upset' to help current and future England players bat and bowl 'long' but didn't really see any future England players (just YJB who seems to have finished with them for now) All seems a bit pointless with the supporters not always enthralled.
I've never seen Bess and Moriarty bowl so many overs, I was impressed with the hard work , application and never-say-die attitude . Not Dom Bess's best figure but pretty close. What stamina , probably sleep for a day after this game .
I suppose we can take some positives from the game , the main one that if you can't win , don't lose. Cut the points gap between us and Middlesex . Sussex won today so they are starting to really leave us behind .Sussex and Middlesex to meet , I think I'd opt for a Sussex win to help us attempt to overtake Middlesex.
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Post by donnylad on Sept 1, 2024 18:01:03 GMT
The hybrid pitch is there to allow both sides much the same batting conditions in the Hundred. The Kookaburra ball is there because Wrong Key thinks that batting all day is what cricket is about ... and who cares about the Championship.
My questions are 1 OK, so the ECB said a hybrid pitch had to be used - did they specify that it had to be for this match? 2 OK, so the ECB specified how many matches the Kookaburra had to be used for - did they specify this match?
If the answer to either of these is 'Yes they did' then the ECB loathing of the Championship is simply confirmed.
If the answer to either question is 'No they did not' then YCCC have some soul searching to do.
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Post by newby on Sept 1, 2024 18:59:32 GMT
No choice with the ball but we have seen some good games of cricket this round despite it's use.
I believe the hybrid pitch was a request rather than a directive and it certainly didn't need to be this game.
3 games, 3 poor pitches at Headingley so far this season, but this has been the worst of them and the weather is no excuse this time.
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