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Post by newby on Jun 27, 2024 21:38:53 GMT
Brilliant India beat dire England announces the BBC. I think that just about covers it.
Like Australia time for a change of personnel, starting at the top.
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Post by newby on Jun 28, 2024 7:13:59 GMT
England all out in 16.4 overs, 100 balls funnily enough.
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Post by slowleftarmer on Jun 28, 2024 7:38:26 GMT
will Brook and Bairstow be back for consideration on Sunday.....
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Post by newby on Jun 28, 2024 8:57:36 GMT
Test match within a fortnight so no is the answer. It's only bowlers, scrambling to get an England place, who are having to turn out for their Counties this far into the season.
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Post by karma on Jun 28, 2024 9:40:34 GMT
I recall Adil Rashid's interview following the abysmal performance on the ODI World Cup in India last winter and in anticipation of the T20 World Cup
He said words to the effect that, "We are T20 W old Champions, we know how to win, we just turn up and everything slots into place"
Pride comes before a fall, particularly if your planning is practically non-existant
Fail to plan = plan to fail 🏏
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Post by Hit Wicket on Jun 28, 2024 9:51:15 GMT
I've no skin in the T20 game so can enjoy it as a neutral.
That seemed a good toss to win, but Buttler's judgement has been sub-par on a number of occasions in this tournament.
I haven't seen RSA play yet but have seen enough of India to think they're going to be tough to beat.
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Post by slowleftarmer on Jun 28, 2024 14:43:12 GMT
They seem obsessed with getting Moeen in at 3 just because he is left handed - if that was the case they should have kept Malan.
Buttler also seems obsessed with getting Livingstone to bowl - it finally sort of worked yesterday for the first time but has cost us in earlier games.
But we dont really have many obvious replacement options as skipper or as players. No one is standing out as a glaring omission from the squad, Stokes aside and that was self-inflicted.
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Post by tykemania on Jun 28, 2024 15:20:14 GMT
They seem obsessed with getting Moeen in at 3 just because he is left handed - if that was the case they should have kept Malan. Buttler also seems obsessed with getting Livingstone to bowl - it finally sort of worked yesterday for the first time but has cost us in earlier games. But we dont really have many obvious replacement options as skipper or as players. No one is standing out as a glaring omission from the squad, Stokes aside and that was self-inflicted. You say no obvious stand out omission, but this game, and many of the pitches, were crying out for the kind of sensible accumulation that a Joe Root would have brought. I also wonder what would have needed to happen for Duckett, left handed and quite a decent player of spin even if he is a disreputable oik, to get on to the field.
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Post by newby on Jun 28, 2024 17:21:19 GMT
Despite the decision to dispense with the middle man 'Jacks' and move Brook up to bat at 4 where he is probably at his best, it only happened once.
Moeen Ali even came in at 3 before YJB on 2 occasions and the left/right combination was always the excuse.
If it doesn't matter that the two openers are both right handed then it doesn't matter. It's a marginal thing, a decision to be made when there are only a couple of overs left, only left hand bowlers with overs left, or a short boundary that can be exploited.
Moeen's been a great servant to England, his time has gone but the England management, don't want to believe it.
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Post by newby on Jun 29, 2024 7:43:43 GMT
Final today and I don't think there can be much doubt that the two best teams have made it through. Both unbeaten at any rate.
Although not as good as the St Lucia pitch there have been some decent scores in Barbados. Another 10:30 local start but being a weekend I hope they can manage to get the ground full to make it look like an occasion.
I'm backing South Africa to win, though not with any real money.
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Post by davemorton on Jun 29, 2024 10:28:45 GMT
I suspect there were more people at North Marine Road than at the ground in Guyana, whatever it's called.
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Post by donnylad on Jun 29, 2024 14:03:02 GMT
OK ... after the omnishambles ... featuring poor captaincy, some poor play on a wicket that was not good enough for a T20 match.
what to they say?
Well the anti JB brigade are out in force and it looks like he is favourite to carry the can. Stokes backs his mate Buttler (well he would wouldn't he) and thinks Buttler and Mott have done well to reach a semi final ... by beating (just) some tier 2 teams. Mott says England can get 'badder' - honest I saw that in the Guardian, 'bigger, badder, better! - 'galvanised' - “you guys [in the media] will have your fun at our expense I’m sure,” and this man has 2 years left on his contract. Key? Silent as the grave as far as I can tell.
I don't think he (and Buttler) are capable of realising what a sh*t show this competition has been for England. The India debacle was bad and this has been worse.
Arguably, our 2 best players across the piece have been Brook and Rashid. Brook 4 innings for 145; Rashid 24 overs 10 for 131.
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Post by newby on Jun 29, 2024 19:59:46 GMT
I enjoyed the final, a better wicket with not so much in it for the spinners. The inch perfect bowling of Bumrah, and to some extent Ashdeep, made the difference.
South Africa looked favourites with 4 overs to go, but they lost their last two batsmen and it was left to the bowlers and as so often happens they couldn't do it. Earlier they had given India 15 or so runs too many and it came back to bite them.
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Post by donnylad on Jun 30, 2024 19:32:16 GMT
After some indifferent innings and 'out shots' Kohli did what he does, ably supported by Pant.
Game over. Tournament over.
The ICC counting the cash with deaf ears of course.
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Post by slowleftarmer on Jul 1, 2024 11:01:25 GMT
and now the India team are retiring as fast as they can - Kohli, then Sharma and and then Jadeja.
Surely they dont need more money from T20 leagues?
I assume Jaiswal is a shoe in to come in as opener for one slot
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