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Post by newby on Apr 30, 2024 9:39:48 GMT
The selected 15 man squad who will also play in the 4 match T20 series against Pakistan, starting on the 22nd of May at Headingley.
Jos Buttler (capt, wk), Moeen Ali, Jofra Archer, Jonny Bairstow, Harry Brook, Sam Curran, Ben Duckett, Tom Hartley, Will Jacks, Chris Jordan, Liam Livingstone, Adil Rashid, Phil Salt, Reece Topley, Mark Wood.
My initial thinking is it's a bit of a backward looking squad. Plenty of runs but not sure about the bowling, Topley, Wood, Archer, that's at least 3 physios they will need to take.
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Post by tykemania on Apr 30, 2024 9:45:21 GMT
I can certainly see their argument for each individual member of that squad when they came around the selection table. Like you, I wonder if it is perhaps a little retrograde in its choice of attack, whether there was not one young bowler who was worth a go rather than defaulting to the same set of bowlers who, because of those injury problems, have to be heavily rotated.
I'm guessing the first choice line up will be something like:
Salt Buttler Jacks Bairstow Brook Ali/Livingstone Curran Rashid plus whichever three seamers are hobbling the least.
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Post by slowleftarmer on Apr 30, 2024 10:37:57 GMT
Yes, a squad based on past performances rather than future potential or even current form.
No Malan or Root, so will they play for Yorkshire in whatever white ball tournament goes on to clash with the World Cup T20 or will they be in a comms box somewhere?
Agree 3 seamers will do well to get through the tournament unscathed and Curran has hardly done much with the ball at the IPL.
Livingstone flatters to deceive still, Rashid has not bowled a ball in anger since February, and Moeen must know something about Buttler that he does not want to come out. He is that anonymous at the IPl I had to check to see he was still involved.
But then who do you think are the unfortunate ones overlooked? Not sure there are too many obvious names jumping out at me but if I was Malan Root and Willey I would be disappointed to have been discarded and replaced by some of those named.
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Post by karma on Apr 30, 2024 11:14:27 GMT
From interview in ESPN cricinfo - " England have champion mindset for T20 World Cup", Adil Rashid believes and has said, "they have drawn a line under their failure to defend their 50 overs crown in India late last year"......
" The 50 overs was a completely different format" he added, "We had a poor run or whatever. It is what it is. We didn't have the best tournament. We didn't play well: bat, ball, as a team, as a unit or everything. But I think it is a completely different format where we are currently world Champions at that."
"We're confident. We've got the team, we've got the mindset, we've got the players, we've got the experience. If we go out there with the same belief. I think we'll - hopefully - go all the way..... We might not be playing well but as soon as the tournament comes , people turn up and just switch on and win the World Cup"
Oh well that's alright then, the strategy for England is just turn up , switch on and win the World Cup. Easy peasy, I'd keep that secret from the other teams. What was good enough to get you here isn't good enough to keep you here. Was hoping for a bit of humility from Rashid
I'm going to the Headingley England v Pakistan T20 (NE Upper) 3 weeks tomorrow with an open mind .I've seen Archer bowl previously and they might be wrapping him up in a big piece of cotton wool as I fear he'll be injured before the tournament proper starts.
PS Hope somebody remembers to send Rashid of a map of how to get to Headingley
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Post by slowleftarmer on Apr 30, 2024 11:25:11 GMT
says the man who has been sat at home spending time with his family since February.
Winning a trophy is a lot easier than successfully defending it as everyone else knows they have to improve next time around whereas the winners dont have that same challenge or incentive - even more so when the squad you pick is largely the one that won it in 2019.
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Post by davemorton on Apr 30, 2024 12:17:32 GMT
So how many of the 15 have actually been playing in the IPL? Or in one of the other T20 tournaments?
I've no idea. I am asking. I don't watch this stuff! Not when there's stuff like Bargain Hunt or Grand Designs on the box. Or snooker, for goodness' sake!
Somewhere the idea seems to have crept into cricket, that you can get better at it by not playing, as in no practice games before a Test series for example. I don't get it.
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Post by slowleftarmer on Apr 30, 2024 12:23:37 GMT
8 of the squad at IPL.
Buttler Bairstow Jacks Curran Livingstone Topley Salt and Moeen Ali.
Brook who should be there at the IPL and is playing CC games currently, as is Duckett and in theory Hartley but not always selected.
Wood, Archer, Jordan and Rashid all wrapped in cotton wool by ECB for various periods but expected to presumably rock up in form for the pre-World Cup T20 series v Pakistan.
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Post by newby on Apr 30, 2024 20:35:01 GMT
Of course if Jofra Archer can come back and bowl as quickly as he did in 2019 then by all means pick him, I think it's asking a lot and I won't be convinced until and unless he completes at least two of the games against Pakistan.
Jamie Overton's injury it seems has opened the door for Chris Jordan, I think it should have opened the door for one for the future, perhaps the much hyped Gus Atkinson.
I hope they do well but I fear it might be a World Cup too far for Bairstow, Rashid, Ali and Jordan, with further concerns about the fitness of Archer, Wood and Topley.
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Post by tykemania on Apr 30, 2024 22:16:23 GMT
Possibly a little unfair on Rashid - he has never let anyone down, nor had anyone really gotten after him - he is just at the brink of falling apart. Bairstow I will also sort of defend - he is up to it, but I am not sure they will give him a role that suits him. Ali and Jordan, yes.
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Post by newby on May 1, 2024 8:50:54 GMT
Rashid is top of the ICC T20I bowling rankings and I perfectly understand why he has been picked. There's also nobody pushing for the place to be honest, Rehan Ahmed I don't think has come on as well as expected. I just feel he's in semi retirement and I'm not sure just turning up and being able to bowl 4 tight overs will be easy for him.
YJB, he seems to have to get very close to failure before saving himself with a big innings, too few and far between for me.
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Post by slowleftarmer on May 1, 2024 9:58:06 GMT
i get why Adil has been picked, but just think he is deluded with his comments made about why we should do well and he should be doing more than sat on his bum at home to better prepare for the tournament right now.
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Post by newby on May 21, 2024 20:32:47 GMT
Unfortunately the first of the preparation T20 games against Pakistan is surely not going to happen at Headingley tomorrow night.
Will it be called off early I wonder or will we have the usual Sky/ECB panto of keeping folks hanging around hoping for play when they know the chances are zero.
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Post by karma on May 22, 2024 6:36:08 GMT
I'm sure there will be no play today but from personal experience I know that Sky Sports rarely thinks about the supporters waiting for live games.
I won't be travelling the couple of miles to the ground and I have great sympathy for the England supporters who will travel to Headingley but in particular for the colourful and exuberant Pakistani supporters who will miss out.
If I miss a game then there'll be another one along eventually and at least I got to Weetwood to see some good cricket yesterday and for once in pretty reasonable weather.
I won't be subscribing to Sky or BT TV as they've let me down so many times when I've been at cricket and footy grounds and been treated as an inconvenience, to fall in line with their diktats.
I appreciate sport locations are not shared out evenly and Sky sports are a lifeblood for many though not me.
I must be morphing into Victor Meldrew
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Post by newby on May 22, 2024 7:32:33 GMT
Unfortunately, looking at the BBC weather forecast you could, and I'm sure they will, make a case that a 10 overs per side game could take place later this evening.
Lots of rain to fall first though and as always it will be the same areas of the pitch that aren't covered which will surely soften up and leave a problem.
We have the heavy rain as forecast already in Scarborough but it's not constantly hammering it down.
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Post by karma on May 22, 2024 10:59:35 GMT
At a time when Yorkshire is crying out for extra income I'm not sure what the ramifications are for the club if there is no play but I'm sure it won't be good. Same too with all the food and other concessions .It is possible to insure for loss of profits for weather affected games but this tends not to include all liabilities.
If they do make such a case for a 10 overs a side game, then although I have a ticket, I won't be there. I would want a game because conditions are right not to avoid me receiving a £60 refund.
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