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Post by newby on Apr 17, 2024 19:48:13 GMT
No indication of any players being withdrawn from the ongoing 2nd XI game at Headingley so I'm presuming it's the same squad as Bristol for this one.
Yorkshire probable squad: Adam Lyth, Finlay Bean, Shan Masood (c) Joe Root, Harry Brook, George Hill, Jonathan Tattersall (wk), Matt Milnes, Matt Fisher, Dan Moriarty, Ben Coad, Matt Revis, Jordan Thompson.
Might they freshen up the bowling or will they want to let the same team see how it works with the Duke ball. Your guess is as good as mine.
Middlesex have scored a lot of runs in two bore draws, but haven't taken many wickets. Will it all change with the new balls. Hopefully they will still not take many wickets but also score a lot less runs.
Weather looks half decent so the pitch is the key.
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Post by slowleftarmer on Apr 18, 2024 7:26:28 GMT
well all I hope is for a competitive game, that we win of course and no contrived finish as we saw in 2016 in the last game of the season when we gift wrapped the title to Middlesex and denied Somerset the title. Those were the days, Middlesex and Yorkshire fighting it out for the div 1 title.... now we are battling it out in div 2 with not a pair of coppers to rub together between us
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Post by tykemania on Apr 18, 2024 11:21:45 GMT
40 minutes long the Met Line, and I'm off work...looking forward to hopefully catching at least three of the four days play. Lords was a road in the first week of the season, and I suspect that the pitch will be over to one side of the square based on what has been published about the availability of stands, so unfortunately this does have the smack of an attritional game, though hopefully the Dukes ball will help things somewhat. Ihope there is a plan in place to rotate our bowlers somewhat!
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Post by newby on Apr 18, 2024 11:34:37 GMT
I do hope it's a decent pitch, the Kookaburra ball didn't help but the weather may have played a part in the groundsman not being able to produce a decent surface last week.
Whereas in Division 1 providing a road and guaranteeing your team at least 8 points for a draw is one possible method of avoiding relegations, there is absolutely nothing to be gained from doing so in Division 2.
Mood music is that there will be at least 1 change in the XI. I think both Revis and Thompson will get in, but no idea who will drop out.
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Post by slowleftarmer on Apr 18, 2024 12:29:47 GMT
Revis for Hill and Tommo for Fisher/Coad/Milnes?
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Post by tykemania on Apr 18, 2024 12:53:15 GMT
I can't imagine that they will drop Hill, given how important his batting will be as the season goes on. I suspect one of the three main seamers will be rotated out for Thompson, especially as swing rather than seam movement is the usual threat at Lords. Whether they might want to play Revis instead of Moriarty is the other question.
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Post by donnylad on Apr 18, 2024 14:39:18 GMT
I think that a quick will get rotated ... possibly Fisher (whose gruntle looked a bit out of sync at times on Monday afternoon) replaced by Tommo. We have got to get the best out of Coad, Fisher, Milnes, Tommo and Hill/Revis.
The last 2 offer some decent batting. .. maybe Revis for Moriarty. In that first round Middlesex used 8 bowlers and any 3 of the 6 above would be better than most of those. Despite Broken Key's rubbish about watching medium pacers in any innings there is a time to close up an end and a decent medium pacer can do that just as well as an off spinner.
Skeleton team sheet looks like this then;
Bean. Lyth. Masood. Root. Brook. Hill. (w/kpr Tatts currently or Duke). Milnes. Fisher. Coad. (4th seamer/spinner from Tommo, Revis, Moriarty, Bess).
When Brook and Root are dragged back to 'international duty' we will need Luxton plus 1 (say Revis at 6, Hill up to 5) to maintain the top order and Moriarty or Bess then has to play unless we want 6 seamers, Milnes, Fisher, Coad plus Hill and Revis and Tommo.
I assume the club will want to play Moriarty for at least 1 more match to really see how he goes. This really leaves Tommo, Revis and Bess twiddling their thumbs.
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Post by karma on Apr 18, 2024 15:55:22 GMT
From what I've seen both Tatts AND Duke have batted well in their respective games. and on that basis alone it would be hard to replace Tatts with Duke. I didn't see who kept wicket the best and ideally you pick the best keeper who is also a batsman .
In their latest games, Bess took a five-for whereas I think Moriarty took a 3-for but with the Kookaburra. I'm biased in favour of Bess, think he's a better batter and fielder but you want the best bowler for the situation. Can't see Moriarty AND Bess playing together at the moment.
Otis Gibson spoke about rotating the bowlers and perhaps Fisher is due a rest while he is uninjured and as the harder he tried v Gloucestershire the more the ball sat up to be put away. Revis isn't a like for like swap but I also like him
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Leave the openers alone, overall they are doing OK and this is one area where we want settled players. I think Luxton and Wharton have also had some good scores (and poor ones too) and their turn will come when the England boys ''Move on up'
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Post by tykemania on Apr 18, 2024 16:00:14 GMT
Squad announced, Milnes rested, Big Mickie in.
Given that Masood clearly didn't trust him last year, I'm not so sure I see the point of that.
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Post by karma on Apr 18, 2024 16:09:28 GMT
He's not a 'death' bowler but he must have something to be signed by Yorkshire and I don't mean he is mature and cheap
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Post by davemorton on Apr 18, 2024 16:20:28 GMT
Edwards was given an extensive work out yesterday, without impressing, but he had looked okay against Lancs on a better cricket pitch, week before. Bess looked several streets ahead of all other 2nd XI bowlers which, let's face it, he bloody should! Because he is.
I have seen nothing this season so far to suggest we will ever take 20 wickets in the prevailing conditions
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Post by donnylad on Apr 18, 2024 17:09:12 GMT
I've nurdled on in the past about counties who seem to have 2 or 3 bowlers who will troll up an grab a wicket during a couple of overs of non-descript tosh. They can also bat a bit/sometimes a bit more and field of course - the bits and pieces cricketers.
We have those, Revis, Hill, Tommo, Bess (but he is better than that) but I still do not see what Edwards brings to the party.
If he were going to do what Fisher was asked to do - stick in short - then fine but the last time he did that he went for about 70 0ff 8 overs if my memory serves me correctly.
I assume Milnes has got the rest days because he has had injuries and might not be fully recovered/need more recovery time - and that might explain his lack of use in the Gloucester second dig?
I still think Bess is better than Moriarty ... Joe Lad was better at times in the last match.
Are Moriarty and Edwards on show because we bought them and want everyone to see our new toys?
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Post by slowleftarmer on Apr 19, 2024 7:33:31 GMT
yes there is always the risk that when you bring in an outsider, they are viewed more favourably than your home grown lads. I see it in business too sometimes when you hire in someone and pay them more money than others on their grade who have been with you since joining as an apprentice or graduate and after a while you realise you should have invested more in your home grown talent to get better results.
I am hoping Edwards is only there to carry the drinks and to be on standby in the event of an injury this morning. To date he has done nothing to show he is better than our other seamers, and his arrival for all the hype from Gough can only be viewed so far as being up there with Shannon Gabriel and Morne Morkel as our most overrated overseas seamers (based on what they did for YCCC!)
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Post by newby on Apr 19, 2024 9:38:57 GMT
Middlesex won the toss and have put Yorkshire in to bat.
Milnes and Fisher are out, Edwards and Thompson in. Surprising!
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Post by davemorton on Apr 19, 2024 9:42:17 GMT
I felt Fisher was disappointing last week. We always said that if we had a fit Fisher, then it would make all the difference, but he just looked another trundler most of last season, and much the same so far, this one.
I can understand that survival is most important to him. Of course it is, and it was so painful to see him out so often. But what have we got, long term? Without pace, he's nowhere near as good as Coad or Milnes, though probably still better than most.
We saw a glimpse of the real Fisher away at Durham, last season - the game we lost by one wicket - when Fish and Hill were just about our only bowlers. I do hope he can come through this. It will be easier to judge come summer.
Bear with me while I check our attack at Chester-le-Street that time: 10 minutes!
Yes, it was Fisher, Thompson, Edwards, Hill and Revis + Bess.
Tommo took some wickets, but was expensive at the death - but no prob if he's taking wickets, especially top-order ones, which these were. But, in that fateful final innings, Fisher and Hill bowled mammoth spells because Capt Shan I'm sure felt he couldn't trust the others.
Fisher had 4 for 64 off 22, and Hill 2 for 42 off 20, and Bess did a good holding job with 16 overs for 27 runs. Thompson had 3 for 55 off 14, Edwards 0 for 21 off 4, Revis 0 for 18 off 5. (Clearly not trusted by the captain.)
After tea on day 3, we had them 173 for 8, but Fisher and Hill had been bowled into the ground by then, and it was 213 for 8 at close. They knocked off the remaining few runs the following morning.
Well, we've now got a fit Coad and Milnes (fingers crossed) to add to that list. Revis is a year more experienced, and we've got another spin option. But we do need FAST bowler Fisher to lead the attack. Do we actually have anyone who can SWING a cricket ball in this team, or on the 2s? Thompson, theoretically. But is this a Yorkshire myth?
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