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Post by newby on Oct 18, 2023 20:04:02 GMT
Two chances to have a crack at South Africa on Saturday, I think this is the only one we have a realistic chance of winning. Though if we can win them both I won't be complaining.
England management talking about the team being too timid, which I agree with. I suspect they will play Ben Stokes and hope that makes the difference.
My team, in batting order:
Bairstow, Buttler, Malan, Root, Brook, Stokes, Rashid, Willey, Curran, Atkinson, Wood.
Knowing England they will dig their heels in and stick with Woakes, Topley and Livingstone and keep their fingers crossed.
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Post by hawke on Oct 19, 2023 5:51:20 GMT
5 Yorkshire CCC players in the side equals the record I believe of 1938, England v Australia at The Oval - Hutton, Leyland, Wood, Verity and Bowes, though only 4 of the current group are Yorkshiremen. We may have had 5 on an occasion in the nineteenth century. Of course in those days it was, as Sutcliffe's autobiography said, 'For Yorkshire and England'. Now it's for England and England and The Hundred and England, the IPL and England etc. depressing etc.
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Post by karma on Oct 19, 2023 6:24:11 GMT
Two chances to have a crack at South Africa on Saturday, I think this is the only one we have a realistic chance of winning. Though if we can win them both I won't be complaining. England management talking about the team being too timid, which I agree with. I suspect they will play Ben Stokes and hope that makes the difference. My team, in batting order: Bairstow, Buttler, Malan, Root, Brook, Stokes, Rashid, Willey, Curran, Atkinson, Wood. Knowing England they will dig their heels in and stick with Woakes, Topley and Livingstone and keep their fingers crossed. I'd certainly go with that team. I don't watch any cricket but often follow it on my phone or radio ( often while watching other sports live ie at the game). I must confess therefore to my ignorance about the captain and for some reason thought Stokes and not Butler was actually in charge. Perhaps Butler is not the demonstrative sort of captain, he's certainly no Morgan and some of the decisions re bowling leave me perplexed. Clearly Malan is not a Yorkshireman , but currently a Yorkshire player and a hard hitting one-day International. The recent 'news' that he wants only to play white-ball cricket and re-negotiate his Yorkshire contract alarms me. The other White-ball only Yorkshire player Rashid hasn't played for Yorkshire for well over a year and looking at next year's schedule I don't think we'd see either of these great players turning out wearing the White Rose. Personally I think it's about time to stop this and renegotiate their contracts so that they leave! There are other younger Yorkshire players who would be proud to wear the white rose. |
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Post by slowleftarmer on Oct 19, 2023 7:38:24 GMT
I think Stokes has to play but what sort of form he is in, who knows. But he is one of the few global cricketers i would trust to turn up without any practice and then deliver.
But his selection then has knock on impact on other parts of the team as who should make way for him. Some batters may be spared due to having an ability to bowl even if their batting is poor at the moment.
Curran and Woakes surely have to make way for Atkinson or Willey or the mumbo jumbo about being heavy with seam bowlers to allow rest and rotation is utter tosh and a couple of them are just in India to clock up their air miles.
I would go with
Bairstow, Malan, Root, Stokes, Brook, Buttler, Livingstone, Willey, Rashid, Atkinson, Topley.
Wood, Woakes and Curran have all been expensive. Moeen seems out of sorts despite having 2 strings to his bow and experience from the IPL of these conditions.
A bit more depth in the batting where Buttler and Livingstone more likely to come in akin to T20 situations and still 3 seamers and 3 spin options.
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Post by newby on Oct 19, 2023 10:03:02 GMT
I don't have a problem with Stokes coming back in without any cricket behind him. It seems to be the modern way now with the very best players.
I am a little concerned he is being rushed back because England see him as the answer to all their woes and will not address the obvious areas of concern in terms of the bowling and the wasting of the first batting power play.
You can argue we are losing games in the first 10 overs, which used to be our strength. Perhaps we've always had a soft middle but haven't really needed to call on them very often.
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Post by tbsteve on Oct 19, 2023 10:28:24 GMT
Two chances to have a crack at South Africa on Saturday, I think this is the only one we have a realistic chance of winning. Though if we can win them both I won't be complaining. England management talking about the team being too timid, which I agree with. I suspect they will play Ben Stokes and hope that makes the difference. My team, in batting order: Bairstow, Buttler, Malan, Root, Brook, Stokes, Rashid, Willey, Curran, Atkinson, Wood. Knowing England they will dig their heels in and stick with Woakes, Topley and Livingstone and keep their fingers crossed. That feels a spinner light to me. As much as I like Curran, I'd probably swap him for Livingstone. Topley has been our leading wicket taker so far (5 in 2 matches, but 4 in one game) so I'm not sure I'd drop him for Willey. |
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Post by davemorton on Oct 19, 2023 10:29:06 GMT
I have no problem with the now-elderly Malan managing his career. He has proved an excellent signing and has performed well for YCCC in the Championship. He is also an attractive batsman to watch, and solid and reliable too. I was on the Ashes tour when he was England's best batsman, which was not saying much, admittedly.
He is not a Yorkshireman, but he has given Yorkshire good service, where Willey, for example, was no more than a peripheral figure. It struck me down at Hove last summer, when Dawwid was fielding on the boundary in front of me, that he really does not enjoy fielding - a view confirmed by Mike Atherton last week, with a comment that brought some laughs. In a 4-day match, you spend two days in the field, and if he has had enough of that, fair enough.
If Stokes wants to play, he should play. With Root, he is the best 'all form' cricketer we have, even if he can't bowl. But we are short of bowlers in this competition, and if Willey is the answer to our problems, heaven help us. Early flight home. Why didn't they take a Potts or a Tongue? Woakes has been bowling rubbish overseas all his life! I must admit I expected Curran to do well, but he hasn't.
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Post by newby on Oct 21, 2023 8:13:35 GMT
England have won the toss and have opted to bowl.
Team: Bairstow, Malan, Root, Buttler, Stokes, Brook, Willey, Rashid, Atkinson, Wood. Topley.
3 changes is a lot. For SA Hendriks comes in for Bavuma who is ill.
I think a confident England would have batted and a confident England would have announced the team well before hand like they used to do under Morgan.
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Post by newby on Oct 21, 2023 17:09:51 GMT
Well that was an omni shambles if ever I saw one.
Whoever is doing the planning for South Africa we need to sign him up. Even Joe Root was made to look like a complete idiot falling right into the trap.
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Post by karma on Oct 21, 2023 17:20:50 GMT
What's the difference between the England World Cup team and the Frankenstein monster?
The monster was motivated and had a brain.
Afraid this current team are poorly led and seem more than a little out of their depth.
Pity anyone who has paid a fortune to go to India to watch andsupport this team. If asked I'd say that I was supporting the other side.
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Post by byased on Oct 21, 2023 18:54:46 GMT
They can't be that bad with half a Yorkshire team in it.
The format is such that it is still not particularly difficult for them to finish in the top four. Whoever finishes top of the "league" after the first set of games, are hard done by in a way. The team who sneaks in fourth could quite possibly win it. Does that make them world champions? I suppose it does.
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Post by karma on Oct 21, 2023 19:30:36 GMT
They can't be that bad with half a Yorkshire team in it. The format is such that it is still not particularly difficult for them to finish in the top four. Whoever finishes top of the "league" after the first set of games, are hard done by in a way. The team who sneaks in fourth could quite possibly win it. Does that make them world champions? I suppose it does. |
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Post by karma on Oct 21, 2023 19:48:19 GMT
You're right of course, byased, with several Yorkshire contracted players in the team. Seem to be underperforming though, consistently. Either then their performances have already peaked or they are being badly led.
Maybe Malan has his mind on re-negotiating his contract (to white-ball only) so that he can, like Rashid, not play for us again. Maybe YJB hasn't fully recovered from his golfing accident. A concern though is that Harry Brook's form also seems to have faltered and Joe Root is having a mixed competition.
I asked my wife if she could name England's captain . She got it at the 3rd attempt. From the little I've seen of Butler, he doesn't (to me) seem to lead, be demonstrative or make inspired decisions. His own batting form has evaporated too.
I'm finding it a little hard to remain too interested in this World Cup as it seems to have been going on for agesc and.still has nearly a month to run. Yes, in theory, Englang could still go on and win it but it would take a dramatic change in performances and results so I'm ot holding out hope.
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Post by newby on Oct 21, 2023 21:14:20 GMT
Buttler needs to lead from the front for the rest of the competition, that means coming in at the top of the order and not hiding himself away at 5. We don't need a finisher, we need a starter.
He also needs to stop being so bl##dy stupid when he wins the toss.
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