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Post by tbsteve on Oct 24, 2023 13:23:01 GMT
England three-year central contracts
Harry Brook (Yorkshire), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Mark Wood (Durham).
England two-year central contracts
Rehan Ahmed (Leicestershire), Jofra Archer (Sussex), Gus Atkinson (Surrey), Jonathan Bairstow (Yorkshire), Jos Buttler (Lancashire), Bryson Carse (Durham), Zak Crawley (Kent), Sam Curran (Surrey), Ben Duckett (Nottinghamshire), Liam Livingstone (Lancashire), Ollie Pope (Surrey), Matthew Potts (Durham), Adil Rashid (Yorkshire), Josh Tongue, (Nottinghamshire - from November 1), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire).
England one-year central contracts
Moeen Ali (Warwickshire), James Anderson (Lancashire), Ben Foakes (Surrey), Jack Leach (Somerset), Dawid Malan (Yorkshire), Ollie Robinson (Sussex), Ben Stokes (Durham), Reece Topley (Surrey).
England development contracts
Matthew Fisher (Yorkshire), Saqib Mahmood (Lancashire), John Turner (Hampshire).
Some odd decisions - Stokes only one year (though Atherton suggesting this is more about waiting for an improved offer next year). Malan getting a new offer.
But some good news for us - Malan still under contract, so we can save money.
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Post by karma on Oct 24, 2023 15:45:01 GMT
This might sound harsh . It's not always about money, we can perhaps save some locker space.
I've never taken to Malan and a long time ago grew tired of the niggles that held him back from playing for Yorkshire only a short time later to be fit for England or some Hundred team or franchise. He's had a slightly better season playing for Yorkshire in 2023 for which I've praised him
Apparently ,he now wants to re-negotiate his contract and play for Yorkshire in white-ball cricket only. I think this is why OG and DG have been banging on about our need to obtain an additional middle-order batsman and not a left-arm quickie that many supporters have highlighted.
We already have a white-ball only (England) player contracted to Yorkshire, called Adil Rashid. He's played less and less for Yorkshire , white-ball, in successive seasons such that it's well over a year since He's turned out for us .He has been seen at games but He's just not been available.
Looking at 2024 I don't see Malan been available mutch if at all, white-ball franchises, like Lake District Holidays are pretty well available all year round nowadays.
If it were up to me I'd prefer to re-negotiate both Malan's and Rashid's contract such that they are no longer contracted to Yorkshire. I'd prefer to have players who don't regard Yorkshire as a personal convenience but in their place have players who are proud to wear and play for the White Rose.
I appreciate my view will not be popular, it's not based upon financial considerations but having a team to take us forward in all disciplines.
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Post by newby on Oct 24, 2023 16:49:51 GMT
I know being a Yorkshire supporter it's difficult, but there is a player who is contracted to Yorkshire that you haven't mentioned.
Adil Rashid CC played 0. T20 blast played 0 RL50 played 0
Dawid Malan CC played 7. T20 blast played 13. RL50 played 0
Joe Root CC played 0. T20 blast played 0. RL50 played 0.
I don't think we know all there is to know about the Malan negotiations, but he is a very good T20 player and if he doesn't play for us then he will be snapped up by somebody else and we will be a much weaker team.
Rashid and Yorkshire is a marriage of convenience, the same may be said of Joe Root.
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Post by karma on Oct 24, 2023 17:11:13 GMT
Well newby I can't argue strongly against you in relation to Joe Root (or Bairstow for that matter. I don't mind admitting a little personal prejudice against Malan and which I've tried to set to one side. I would prefer him as an all-format player with Yorkshire.
If, as I believe, he is going down the white-ball only contract route though, I would prefer to see him go because I would see him playing less and less just like Rashid.
Logic doesn't always come into this . And there are plenty of kids would love wearing the White Rose
We'll have to see how the contract negotiations proceed, the released list if any ( or the retained list ) and which players OG/DG pull out of the hat.
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Post by davemorton on Oct 25, 2023 7:05:39 GMT
Strange goings on, with Ben Stokes rejecting a 3-year contract and 33-year old fast bowler Mark Wood being given one. I'm not knocking Wood. He is the fastest and best Test bowler we have, and 100% all the time; but how fast will he be at 36? Chris Woakes is a year older than Wood, and has been offered two years, so same thing, and Woakes is as useless overseas as he is excellent in England. And always has been.
It is said that the contracts will allow England / ECB to prevent players going off to play T20 for franchise teams round the world. But aren't they more likely to encourage this, and to prevent them playing County cricket?
I feel I have seen a lot of Malan over the last two seasons - more than all the others put together - but despite his excellence with the bat I would rather be watching Will Luxton or Yash Vagadia, players who could each give us fifteen more years. Lyth and Masood provide experience enough.
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Post by newby on Oct 25, 2023 7:59:42 GMT
Rob Key, the lunatic in charge of the asylum as Managing director of men's cricket, was trying to explain this on TMS yesterday.
Mark Wood threatened, I think that's the appropriate word, to go full on 'fast bowler for hire' down the franchise route. Knowing his fitness problems I reckon he might have lasted about 6 months. So England have wrapped him in cotton wool for 3 years. I reckon they might get another year out of him.
Ben Stokes has taken a 1 year deal to tide him over until the ECB and Sky agree a new broadcast deal next year. He may think if the TV deal gives the ECB more money then he can negotiate a better 3 year deal, to probably take him through to retirement.
The players can still go to the IPL for the learning opportunities!!!! But can't go to the new franchises which interfere more with the English season.
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Post by byased on Oct 25, 2023 23:31:19 GMT
I tend to disregard Root and Bairstow along with Rashid as being Yorkshire players at all. I somehow doubt they will ever play for the club again. I know some still take some pride in that they are Yorkshire born and represent England. Once a player reaches international level, and/or franchise level, then personally I would let them go, I cannot quite what benefit Yorkshire gets from having them on the books. Sadly, Brooke looks like he is lost to the club as well. I don't blame them by the way, the schedules give them little choice.
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Post by tbsteve on Oct 26, 2023 1:51:59 GMT
I think we get a lot of benefit from commercial opportunities, use of their name/image, etc. Especially Rashid, who is loved by the Asian community. Seeing as ECB are paying their salaries, I don't see why we would let them go. We don't pay anything for having them associated with us, and occasionally even get to use them in a Yorks match for free.
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Post by karma on Oct 26, 2023 13:35:56 GMT
I appreciate what you are saying, tbsteve, about the indirect benefits of having someone like Adil Rashid 'on the books' in that he doesn't cost us anything and is well liked by the Asian community. Does it mean though that any Asian people come to see him play and support Yorkshire?
If they'd done that over the last year and a bit, they'd be asking for their money back as he doesn't play for us. In addition although one of my favourite players , he's lost some brownie points over his public and 'in house' statements over what he heard about 'you lot' claim (and the car-crash CDC cross -examination) He's pretty unpopular in some Yorkshire quarters. I'd say "cut him loose, let him go" and before Malan aso becomes another absentee player, if as suspected, he's trying to follow Rashid down the white-ball only contract with Yorkshire.
I used to joke that if you wanted to see the Yorkshire contracted stars you'd have to attend an international. I've paid for tickets for next May's T20 v Pakistan and September's ODI v Australia and wonder how many Yorkshire boys will still be in the hat
Similarly but when I saw the heading for this thread 'England Contracts', I thought it was a reflection or criticism upon our player's performances in the World Cup rather than financial negotiations
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Post by donnylad on Oct 26, 2023 15:32:37 GMT
There is a part of me that has Root, Rashid, Bairstow and Malan up there are YCCC cricketers .... and there is another side that wonders if they have, in practice, simply given up on the county?
I can't help but wonder what the reasons might be - are they other than financial? The first two were around during the recent unpleasantness. Malan played in white ball cricket - perhaps to get back in the selectorial eye for the World Cups? Bairstow has lost some form after the injuries which has restricted his playing.
I don't know, just speculating really on a disappointing day.
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Post by hawke on Oct 26, 2023 22:09:09 GMT
There is a part of me that has Root, Rashid, Bairstow and Malan up there are YCCC cricketers .... and there is another side that wonders if they have, in practice, simply given up on the county? I can't help but wonder what the reasons might be - are they other than financial? The first two were around during the recent unpleasantness. Malan played in white ball cricket - perhaps to get back in the selectorial eye for the World Cups? Bairstow has lost some form after the injuries which has restricted his playing. I don't know, just speculating really on a disappointing day. Well if England win and do well I hope it’s due in large part to the influence of Yorkshire developed cricketers (as opposed to signings such as Malan and Willey). On the other hand if England lose I hope it reflects badly on the ECB who, in my opinion, serve English and Yorkshire cricket badly. Frankly, the only thing that keeps me interested in some degree to England is the Yorkshire element. |
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Post by karma on Oct 27, 2023 14:18:59 GMT
I think the consensus, Hawke, is that the drop in performance levels has been the result of not practicing the 50 overs game. I recall Harry Brook basically saying as much early in the competition.
Fail to plan, plan to fail.
The ECB must accept their part in this and the coach,/ captain they appointed. Perhaps they were distracted by the Hundred or keeping their powder dry over the Rafiq affair and the look at diversity in cricket.
An ageing , faded team team probably believed their own publicity and 'just had to turn up' to succeed. Well that golden age has gone like silent movie stars finding out others have moved on and our time has gone
I think we are really going to need to look for wholesale changes rather just tinkering about and dare I say we might have been better flying out the 'B' team from the recent 3 - match ODI series for the World Cup. I don't think they would have performed any worse than the team already out there . The ECB may have other ideas based upon contract recently handed out.
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Post by karma on Nov 2, 2023 13:05:47 GMT
Who of the England World Cup team didn't get a contract?
Who has been the best England player in the last three England World Cup games?
Who has announced his retirement from International cricket?
David Willey.
I think he was dealt shabilly at the previous World Cup. His bowling performance against India this week was superb, unlike the team's batting performance.
Yet contracts have been strewn about for older players after indifferent performances like confetti. But not for Willey.
He must have done something wrong in a previous life if not this one. Not always my personal favourite, particularly over tgecway he left Yorkshire but a really good hardworking player. Well done David.
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Post by newby on Nov 2, 2023 13:38:44 GMT
Lots of sympathy moving behind David Willey and the shabby way he has been treated by Rob Key.
It should be interesting on Saturday to see if they pick him against Australia now he has announced his retirement from International cricket.
Not giving him a contract says 'we can do without you' picking him says the opposite.
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Post by slowleftarmer on Nov 2, 2023 14:16:20 GMT
Yes, I wonder if Willey might have a niggling injury he does not want to risk making into a longer term injury that could risk some lucrative T20 contracts he now needs to pick up to cover for no central contract?
Team England might have to pick one of their centrally contracted players like Reece Topley (oh hang on he's injured), or Jofra Archer (oh so is he), or Brydon Carse (only just got to India) or Wood/Woakes who have been pummelled to all parts of India.
So perhaps they may have to go for one of their favourites, Sam Curran instead, a poor man's David Willey on current showing.
I did wonder if Key was seeking revenge for being given out lbw a few times by Willey senior. A brave move as Willey senior was one of the few people Ian Botham did not mess with!
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