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Post by byased on Aug 3, 2024 19:10:03 GMT
Agree with human side of things, but most jobs where you are at a managerial level come with results/ targets etc. Football has gone too far with sackings after a dozen matches. However, after living next door to a long standing football manager, it is a good lifestyle, and the sack is part of the process completely acknowledged by those in the job.. Cricket is a bit different, but the last 3 years, despite all the issues off the field, have been very poor, with Yorkshire falling further and further behind other counties in all competitions. We still cling to the idea of being a big county, but results simply do not back that up, bar two years with Gillespie at the helm.
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Post by donnylad on Aug 3, 2024 20:26:11 GMT
I don't have any ill-wishes for the departing coach - I wish him well in his next gig. I think he accepted a chalice that was at least laced with something unpleasant and most probably, all things taken into account, more than anyone could be expected to handle with great success.
My 'gripe' is that he is supposed to be a world class bowling coach ..... look at the dross we have signed for varying lengths of time - maybe not all OG's singly determined choices but he must have had input. Look at the way some players were managed (Mike for example) and the adverse effect of the shortage of pace men has had on our two young bowler-batsmen / batsmen-bowlers, namely Revis and Hill.
Byas has it ...." he last 3 years, despite all the issues off the field, have been very poor, with Yorkshire falling further and further behind other counties in all competitions" yet OG is please with the team being 'able to challenge for promotion'. Is that really the case - white rose tinted spectacles off - then the answer is 'NO'.
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Post by karma on Aug 4, 2024 5:53:27 GMT
Now that it's been announced that Mr. Otis is leaving, I think it fair to add that whoever took over the job three years ago has been fighting against the odds. Just tick off the list:
YCCC pilloried for being Institutionaly racist
Players leaving , Willey, KC, Waite, not all for fallout from the Rafiq affair.
Decimated Coaching and physio team
Players theatening to strike
Public trials and criticism
Players released not because they weren't good enough , they were, but for financial reasons, such as Tom Loten.
Financial crisis following Patels profligate spending and using 'the Bank of Yorkshire' bankrupt club
Points and financial penalties hangingbover the club.
Gibson had never coached a county team but National ones where if there was an injured or out-of-form bowler there were plenty more from which to select
I think with hindsight Otis was almost bound to fail . Unfortunately coaches are usually judged on results and by any measure they have been poor. Some sections of the squad have not improved in three years, in fact are worse
So Otis I liked you as a person ,thank for your efforts, and good luck in your new career.
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Post by byased on Aug 4, 2024 7:26:11 GMT
Gibson seems a decent bloke, and doubt if anyone wishes him anything but well for the future. I guess some cricket followers are just happy to go and watch, whether that be a gentle day out for a championship game, or a few pints with your mates for an evening game. In which case results probably do not matter, and anyone could do the coaching. If the object of county cricket is simply to provide players for England in whichever format, then, again results do not matter. There will be others who want to see their team be successful and win things. Club websites at all levels like to show off their trophies, and highlight the "glory years". I always thought Yorkshire were a winning team, and their history is steeped in that approach. Post 1970, we are not a winning team, and compare unfavourably with just about every other county across all formats. That is not Gibson's fault, but he has continued a trend of failure in terms of a winning mentality. Brian Close was dismissive of one day cricket when it started, but it didn't stop him winning it twice in the first six years of its existence. We have won the equivalent trophy once in the fifty five years since. If results don't matter then no problem, but I doubt owners and investors in clubs share that view. Professional sport is all about winning, perhaps sadly so.
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Post by Hit Wicket on Aug 4, 2024 8:14:35 GMT
Graves gave OG a nicer send-off than I'd expected.
“It’s been an absolute pleasure to work with Ottis. The work that Ottis has done in really difficult circumstances has been impressive, and he’ll leave with his head held high, having helped build some solid foundations, which we are seeing with performances this season."
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Post by hawke on Aug 4, 2024 8:51:42 GMT
Yes it was such a positive send off you wonder why he has not renewed OG’s contract! It must be that he and his advisors are not convinced OG can take us ‘to the next level’. (I think OG. like the captain, are well-liked by the team and admired for their work ethic) Regards fast/seam bowlers we have acknowledged on here that Coad is getting back to his best, Cliff is developing as a white ball bowler and Revis has come on in red ball cricket. OG has been unable to work properly with Fisher, Millns and Edwards. Thompson has been in and out this season but carried quite a burden quite well last year. And OG was right about Fernando’s effect. It will be interesting to see how we perform in the remainder of the season with so much still to play for.
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Post by tbsteve on Aug 5, 2024 6:48:05 GMT
He definitely seems like a good bloke - but I even said at the time I wasn't convinced he was the right person for the job, and more a hire with a nod to off field problems. He had only coached at international level - and there is a world of difference between fine tuning international actions / making plans for opposition versus coaching up and coming talent. I think results show OG is not a county coach, but is a successful international coach and I hope he finds a new international gig soon.
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Post by hawke on Aug 15, 2024 14:58:13 GMT
We have advertised the post so does that mean we are not approaching anyone? Or do we have to advertise to do it by the book?
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Post by newby on Aug 15, 2024 17:50:01 GMT
Like a lot of appointments there is a process and you'd like to think everything was done openly and above board. That being said it sounds a bit naive to expect that looking around at how these things are done.
Applications are open to anyone who meets the criteria, that won't be all that many people in this case.
If an individual, Chris Silverwood for instance, has been asked to apply, either by people connected to the club or recruitment specialists paid by the club, you would have to think they have a very big advantage.
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Post by byased on Aug 19, 2024 15:16:06 GMT
It just struck me, when thinking about left handers, that Darren Lehmann would be the logical choice as coach. I know he has one or two issues in his past, but so have a lot of people. Yorkshire's only real success over the past 50 years or so has been with an Aussie in charge. I know there are those who still like a home grown man, but this has just not worked in the past. Lehmann does have history with us, and is married to Craig White's sister, so he does tick a few boxes in that sense.
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Post by newby on Aug 19, 2024 18:01:14 GMT
According to Cricinfo Chris Silverwood is interested in the coaching role at Yorkshire but he hasn't spoken to anybody about it yet.
Does that mean he has applied or not, applications have to be in by the 26th.
We are still waiting on a new Director of Cricket of course, that was advertised about a month ago
Looking back it has taken the best part of 2 months from the close of applications to appointing Richard Pyrah to his new role. At that sort of timescale it will be a month before we know about the D of C and well into the closed season before a new coach is unveiled.
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Post by newby on Aug 26, 2024 9:32:35 GMT
According to an interview with Colin Graves it looks like the very end of September before we have a new Director of Cricket and Head Coach in place.
He seems to be leaving all the cricketing decisions on hold until they are in place and then leaving it to them.
With Dom Leech and Matthew Fisher leaving there may not now be too many decisions to be made on player retention at the end of the season.
Captaincy and the future of Shan Masood will be top of their agenda initially.
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Post by karma on Aug 26, 2024 11:01:39 GMT
According to some, Chris Silverwood was going to be unveiled to members at last week's Scarborough Forum. Bit of a process to be completed first.
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Post by donnylad on Aug 26, 2024 18:13:29 GMT
Yes, its called application form, interview and presentation and - these days - someone checking t'internet - and more than one person being involved and a recorded decision and a properly written contract of employment and job description. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink will not do anymore and neither will 'Oh I thought that was his job".
Meanwhile - could be a good appointment - he knows the club (obviously) and he knows about coaching county level players and that will be the make or break for YCCC because much as I would like to see some well skilled, handy, overseas on our books I think that finding the Yorkshire Tea plantations is a better bet.
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Post by newby on Sept 18, 2024 21:10:56 GMT
I'm sure it means nothing but Darren Lehmann has just quit his assistant coaching roles at Queensland and the Brisbane Heat. He's moving into the commentary box for the summer apparently.
He still seems interested in coaching though, but lost out on a couple of head coaching roles he applied for in the BBL.
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