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Post by newby on Jun 27, 2024 8:04:38 GMT
This fixture turned into a very good game last year, not least because we managed the win.
Day 1: Winning the toss may have been critical, we put them in and they were all out for 111 early in the afternoon. 5 wickets for Matt Fisher, 3 for Ben Coad and 2 for Thommo. We finished the first day on 272/5, solid opening stand and good runs from Masood and Malan.
Day 2: We managed to reach 353 all out, Dawid Malan 106, runs for Revis and Tatts but not much else. 5 wickets for the spin of Mark Watt. Derbyshire finished the day on 248/4, a good recovery from a poor start when Coad and Fisher had them at 17/4. Haider Ali (129 no) and Leus duPlooy (96 no) rebuilding in a big way.
Day 3: Derbyshire were all out for 453, duPlooy made 170, Haider Ali 146. 3 wickets for Fisher, 2 for Coad and 3 for Dom Bess who went for a few(3/190). Chasing 212 to win we finished the day staring down the barrel at 147/6 with Masood on 68 not out keeping us in the game. Spin from Watt and Thomson causing the trouble.
Day 4: Malan came in, he had been injured so couldn't bat earlier, and we fell to 147/7, a rather rash shot I seem to remember. Masood thankfully kept going and cometh the hour cometh the man a fantastic 41 n.o from Dom Bess and 95 from Masood saw us home.
A lot of the actors, especially from Derbyshire have moved on, but looking forward to a similar outcome (22 points)
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Post by davemorton on Jun 27, 2024 8:48:08 GMT
That was a squeaky bum game indeed. Leuus du Plooy batted like the best player in the world, and left handers continue to give us trouble. Bess's contribution saved us.
How on earth are the management going to pick the team for Chesterfield? They can't possibly drop a seamer but the alternative would be to leave out Coad, or to go in without a spinner on a pitch where you probably need two!
The batting is simpler. Masood for Luxton, who is selected for MCC or ECB something or other against Sri Lanka U19, and should Root turn out to be available he would replace Wharton, who has done nothing wrong except fail to turn 20s into fifties and hundreds.
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Post by newby on Jun 27, 2024 9:43:08 GMT
Difficult selection issue as you say but somebody has to be left out, perhaps a little niggle will come along to simplify things.
Mark Watt has left the scene but Alex Thomson is their leading wicket taker, so spin may be in their thinking when preparing the pitch.
I'll go for: Lyth, Bean, Masood, Wharton, Hill, Tattersall, Bess, Thompson, McKerr, Fernando, Coad.
Once again I'd love to get Revis, and Moriarty for that matter in there, but how.
Resting Thommo is an option, but he's bringing so much into the team just now, I don't think it's a good time to take that option.
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Post by slowleftarmer on Jun 27, 2024 10:36:12 GMT
Why rush Coad back? After this game there is a long break to our next CC match as T20 and 50 over stuff take over. So i would go with the same team bar Masood returning for Luxton who is away playing in another game anyway.
Would be harsh to drop anyone from this weeks winning team, but Revis seemed to have found his straps with the ball too.
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Post by tykemania on Jun 27, 2024 11:29:12 GMT
If Coad is fully fit I would struggle to leave him out, and the obvious man to miss out would be McKerr, who is not ours. Unless, that is, there is work behind the scenes to convince him to make the move. Then it becomes more tricky. Not, I hasten to add, that I necessarily want us to sign another Surrey cast off, though after last week he has convinced me he is much more Moriarty than Pillans!
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Post by slowleftarmer on Jun 27, 2024 12:16:48 GMT
well if the rumours are true and Surrey want Fisher then perhaps a swap is on the cards - we get to save on wages and we get the fit bowler!
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Post by davemorton on Jun 27, 2024 13:27:45 GMT
I make no secret that I want an all-Yorkshire team, or as near as possible without being suicidal. Obviously the imports acquire Yorkshireness over the years, and it would be morally indefensible (and probably illegal) to 'let go' the non-Yorkies already in the side.
McKerr made a fine impression at Scarborough. He is tall, quick enough, accurate...and fit. McKerr or Fisher is a no brainer, I think. We are trying to win, aren't we? All the bowlers bowled well in the game, and all bowled well nearly all of the time. For the first time this season, one good afternoon at Northampton apart, we had good bowling from both ends at the same time, with more good bowling to follow.
The opening partnership, obviously yes - but apart from that we won because we sustained pressure for whole sessions, and more, and when something broke, it was the Gloucester batting. Probably the worst shot of this season, and many other seasons, was Hammond's wild slog against Bess, which would have disgraced the 2nd XI players at Ebberston CC, whom I watched on Saturday.
That's what pressure does. Another million years, and he would have become coal.
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Post by slowleftarmer on Jun 27, 2024 13:57:25 GMT
Any team that goes from a middle order of Masood, Root and Brook to Wharton Luxton and Hill is going to see a huge difference in runs accumulated isnt it?
If Luxton Hill and Wharton had played from the start of the season in 3-5 in our order then I would hope that by now they had settled in and improved. SO for Derbyshire, they have now got their eye in and I expect better!
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Post by newby on Jun 27, 2024 21:59:27 GMT
With hindsight we didn't get the winning boost we expected by playing Root and Brook, but we have to play them when they were available. Perhaps without them we might have lost more than the 2 CC games, who knows.
Wharton seems to be getting chances but hasn't nailed a spot yet. Luxton might get some more T20 opportunities but will be relying on a stellar Metrobank 50 campaign to give his career a kick start. Hill is there or thereabouts as a regular but needs to deliver more runs.
Luxton has a game for up and coming England players against the West Indies tourists next week so he won't be at Chesterfield.
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Post by davemorton on Jun 28, 2024 12:19:10 GMT
Batting can always fail, on any given day. A line-up of Lyth, Brook, Pujara, Root, Bairstow and Ballance was bowled out for 50 at Chelmsford!
But I would back this current team to make runs most of the time, with Lyth, Bean, Masood, Wharton, Hill, Luxton, Revis, etc, and even without Malan, Root, Bairstow and Brook. Obviously, more chance with them than without, but we should be okay for Chesterfield, whatever.
We will have to see who is available when the Champo resumes in August. Players will have been given chances in the 50-over. It is up to them to take the chances when they come. The reduction in cricket is no help to the young player. August & September will see a push for promotion, though Sussex and Middlesex only need a couple of wins each to be out of sight, and 8-point draws will make it very hard to catch up for us, even if we do win games. If we win 3 and Middlesex draw 3, we are still behind them.
I believe that Luxton should be given the chance Wharton has had, and not quite taken. I would also like to see consideration given to the young legspinner Chohan. Why should he be pigeonholed as white ball only? Better still if Rash could play! Surely the Club should be having conversations, and making offers. Perhaps we are.
Hill batted beautifully at Scarborough, by the way. He had been a bit down on known form prior to that. Class act, bat, ball and field, is George.
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Post by slowleftarmer on Jun 28, 2024 14:52:26 GMT
Agree completely with Hill.
A bright and thoughtful cricketer who offers a lot with bat and ball but also potentially the next skipper - he may need the senior pro to help him but i think he might just be the perfect option as a regular who is not quite going to make it with England
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Post by tykemania on Jun 28, 2024 15:09:56 GMT
Hill batted beautifully at Scarborough, by the way. He had been a bit down on known form prior to that. Class act, bat, ball and field, is George. I wonder if he played better because he didn't have three Test players ahead of him in the line up? He has spoken about wanting to take responsibility and that can be hard when you are basically propping up a world XI. Reference giving him the captaincy, I would steer clear for now because I think he has a decent chance of making it with England yet. He is a similar age to Brook when he had his break out season, and his bowling only needs a little work (ie 3-4 mph) to make him a functional fourth seam option at that level as he is now in the First Class game.
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Post by karma on Jun 28, 2024 15:10:59 GMT
About time we had the position of vice-captain (again) to assist the captain and 'transition-in' (sorry for my poor English) the next captain, learning from the boss and adding his two-pennyworth (where does two-pennyworth come from?)
I've always liked Hill, mature and youthful, thoughtful, as you say SLA. I don't think his kitbag has FEC written after his name but that's all to Yorkshire's good.
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Post by newby on Jun 28, 2024 16:50:16 GMT
I don't think appointing Hill as vice captain is a straightforward decision, at least as long as Shan Masood remains as captain.
Because he's an outsider there are a few situations in CC cricket that he really doesn't get and his sounding board needs to be someone who has more experience than Hill could provide.
Masood does a lot of talking to Adam Lyth who certainly seems to fit the bill as far as experience goes. Take the negotiations with Worcestershire last year to agree a target, that was left to Adam to take the lead for Yorkshire.
Difficult to share decisions with a young VC, and then turn to someone else and take another option.
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Post by karma on Jun 28, 2024 17:48:32 GMT
I think appointing anyone in a position of some responsibility has 'knock on' implications. Last year Adam was captain at times and that affected his batting . I see nothing wrong in consulting him, as Masood does already . I suppose the person who applies for a job but is turned down because they have no experience could argue that they will never get experience if they are not given the job.
Same perhaps with Hill (for example). I don't see a problem in him being vice-captain, I think he is a steady player and a cool head who could benefit from working with Masood AND Adam. The danger is, at present is that where Masood constantly consults Adam or (more usually) has let games drift and Adam comes to the fore , that people , including me begin to see Masood as a bit indecisive and 'frozen'
One thing is certain , supporters are growing in turning away from Masood as captain and if players on the pitch do the same we end up with a form of anarchy ( I've seen this already). It needs a structure that takes pressure off Masood and gives him support while bringing on a younger player ( Hill) for the future including those time when Masood is away with Pakistan . Adam would I'm sure be generous with Hill , as he's just that sort of decent player . Cut him in half and it says YORKSHIRE .We're lucky to have him and he does enjoy playing for us and having a laugh
In fact at Scarborough, there was a very strong rumour (probably started by him) that, unbelievably, Yorkshire were going to bat again (not enforce the follow-on) and you could see him and Bean having a bit of a laugh in the slips, conspiring. When Gloucestershire were all out Adam raced off, giving the impression that he was going to get padded-up to open. I think the joke was upon us (and Gloucestershire)
Of course I'm not always right , but that's how I saw things. he's enjoying his cricket .
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