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Post by newby on May 18, 2024 9:21:29 GMT
Not in time for this one but YCCC have announced the signing of Sri Lankan fast bowler Vishwa Fernando on a 3 game deal.
I think he played for Durham last season for a while.
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Post by donnylad on May 18, 2024 10:18:13 GMT
Well at least there isn't any of the 'spectacular signing' nonsense we had from Gough.
However I hope he does well for us but the record isn't spectacular he seems to average about 3 wickets per match - possibly that is OK in Sri Lanka conditions.
Fernando, aged 32, returns to county cricket having taken seven wickets in two matches for Durham at last back end.
He is available for
Northamptonshire at Wantage Road,
Gloucestershire at Scarborough
Derbyshire at Chesterfield, the latter two late next month.
113 FC matches 299 wickets for 8945 runs bat just under 30 each strike rate 1 per 6 overs.
All his cricket except the Durham stint last year in Sri Lanka.
Cricinfo says "Fernando's bowling, though, was always thought to be better than his figures suggest."
Does this suggest that we will not see much of Fisher, Miles, the Aussie and ....... Thommo ....... Revis in those matches?
None of the 3 grounds he will play on are very quickie-friendly except when the tise is in at NMP.
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Post by tykemania on May 18, 2024 16:21:06 GMT
A sensible but uninspiring signing; even if Fisher or Milnes is fit, the other is unlikely to be per the law of averages and we are definitely one frontline seamer short without them. He brings a different angle of attack and, on the one occasion I recall seeing him bowl appeared decent and willing.
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Post by newby on May 18, 2024 16:41:03 GMT
I believe he has joined up with the team at Hove, perhaps the plan was to pull a rabbit from the hat for this game but his arrival has been delayed.
These signing as we have seen before can go either way, let's hope this one goes the right way.
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Post by donnylad on May 18, 2024 17:51:49 GMT
If Coad's back twinge/stiff back doesn't get fettled then we will need something from him!!
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Post by hawke on May 19, 2024 10:04:35 GMT
Don’t generally approve of such short term signings but probably worth a try.
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Post by byased on May 19, 2024 10:08:26 GMT
Don’t generally approve of such short term signings but probably worth a try. I think I agree. Short term signings never seem the right thing to do, but the lack of fitness and variation of the options open to us, makes this one look sensible. |
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Post by newby on May 19, 2024 19:03:00 GMT
We've filled the overseas quota now, we might need to go for a loan player too if Coad's injury is bad and we have nobody returning.
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Post by slowleftarmer on May 20, 2024 8:22:39 GMT
Its hard to moan about a samey right arm seam attack and then moan when we sign an international left arm seamer!
Even more so when half of your right arm seamers are injured -Fisher, Edwards, Coad, Milnes.....
We either keep calling up the next right armer cab on the rank from the 2s, Cliff is next, or pick 2 seamers not through any judgement on the track but just based on who is fit and available.
Or we look overseas as we have scope to add a 2nd overseas player, we acknowledge our lack of balance in our attack so focus on a seamer or we go into the loan market and find a seamer from another county who is surplus to requirements. Not sure i can think of any obvious options in that regard. Warwickshire clearly also looked at this and ended up signing a Kiwi I have never heard of (Rae?) and promoting a young lad, Che Simmons who did well on debut but clearly there are not many counties willing to loan out a seamer not getting a game as they are probably resting and rotating with all the CC games to date so far.
In short, Fernando is our best option
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Post by donnylad on May 20, 2024 18:29:15 GMT
I don't disagree SLA - we have had to do what we have had to do. Thenews that Milnes is out for the season raises issues about his hiring - it is not as if the back injuries were not known about. The Aussie is another duff deal made worse by injury. Fisher, down on pace and injured fielding.
Coad had a lot of back/abdominal issue 2 years ago.
I think these are the players we have to choose from: I'd give Duke a run with the bat.
Lyth, Bean, Masood, Hill, Duke, Wharton/Luxton, Tattersall, Revis, Thommo, Leech, Bess/Moriarty.
Have I missed anyone?
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Post by tykemania on May 20, 2024 19:32:24 GMT
To be fair to Gibson, which is not my current mood, Milnes first back injury was a week after he signed with us.
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Post by byased on May 20, 2024 21:00:16 GMT
Talking to my son today. He doesn't watch much cricket, but was/is a good player and coaches cricket at the school where he works. He said he has seen Fisher, and that he has a "mixed" action. This went over my head. He explained that most bowlers are either front on, or side on through their delivery action. Fisher is a bit of both, hence mixed. My son reckons that will always cause injury, because bits of you are going in the opposite direction all the time. He cannot understand why someone has not done something about it at Yorkshire. Don't know much about such things, but Fisher is rarely fit for long, and it seems to be spreading through the club. I would have thought Gibson would have been on top of such things.
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Post by donnylad on May 21, 2024 15:08:48 GMT
In re Milnes
02/05/2023 The Cricketer
Yorkshire seamer Matt Milnes suffers recurrence of stress fracture in the lower back.
The 28-year-old bowler, who signed a three-year contract with Yorkshire last summer, missed the back end of Kent's 2022 campaign after breaking down with a lumbar stress fracture while bowling in a four-day game against Essex
The original injury, he believes, was a product of his workload and transitioning from regularly delivering "30 overs in two days" between April and June to only a fraction of that while representing Oval Invincibles in The Hundred.
He spent the winter undergoing rehabilitation, telling The Cricketer in February he was "on track" with his recovery, before making his Yorkshire debut against Leicestershire on April 6.
It seems that not bowling enough caused a stress fracture??? Really??
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Post by donnylad on May 21, 2024 15:25:21 GMT
Talking to my son today. He doesn't watch much cricket, but was/is a good player and coaches cricket at the school where he works. He said he has seen Fisher, and that he has a "mixed" action. This went over my head. He explained that most bowlers are either front on, or side on through their delivery action. Fisher is a bit of both, hence mixed. My son reckons that will always cause injury, because bits of you are going in the opposite direction all the time. He cannot understand why someone has not done something about it at Yorkshire. Don't know much about such things, but Fisher is rarely fit for long, and it seems to be spreading through the club. I would have thought Gibson would have been on top of such things. Your son is correct. Cricket is a side on game someone once said and in the majority of instances that is correct. I remember James Anderson's 'original' bowling style ... not far short of 'frog in a blender' and someone took him in hand and sorted his action out .... see end product!!! Look at a javelin thrower's action - lots of young lads sling the spear after trotting up to the line with their chest square on and end up using upper arm muscles to throw it. Compare that with (say) Steve Backley the last 3 or 4 strides are side on and chest and back muscles make the throw. Fast bowlers need to do the same - you cannot do half and half - the twisting strain between hips at one angle and shoulders at another does no good. The only place where the strain can act is the small of the back. OG as a bowling coach ... well if everyone says he is, but I don't think he is a technical coach, probably more of a thinking coach trying to get into a bowler's head. That is fine ... if someone else has sorted the technical stuff of action and delivery. |
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Post by davemorton on May 21, 2024 17:07:52 GMT
It takes someone with a feel for body mechanics - like a gymnastics coach - to unravel all this stuff. It has been going on for years. In Fred's day, there was only one way - Fred's obviously! He was sideways on, the 'drag' helped him throw that front hip round, so everything was sideways. It was thought that was the only way to bowl an outswinger, which was the fast bowler's holy grail, back in the day.
Then came a whole raft of slim, wiry Windies quickies, with very front-on actions. Malcolm Marshall could bowl an outswinger as good as Fred's, and as fast. Nowt to do with sideways-on, they said, it's all about hand & wrist position. The open-chest bowlers seem less prone to back problems?
I think this stuff is really difficult. There are people out there who understand the very complex mechanics (Byased's son, perhaps), but how many kids have access to this sort of coaching when they're growing up and learning their action as their body-shape changes? And would it do any good if they had? The 'mixed' action occurs (apparently) when the upperpart of the body is sideways, but he's square-on from the hips down; or is it the other way round!
I tried to understand this when I coached, all those years ago, but I hadn't a clue, and still haven't. I feel I can understand some of the nuances of batting technique, but bowling? No chance, any more than I understand the mechanics of a golf swing, which seems more complicated yet again. As a coach, I used to suggest to bowlers where to bowl it, but never how. I remember the parents of a snotty young kid threatening to sue Lancs CCC because of his bad back, that's perhaps 40 years ago. The 'mixed action' was said to be the problem, and Lancs had failed to correct it.
Almost every teenage fast bowler I knew had back problems!
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