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Post by newby on May 13, 2024 20:47:00 GMT
First time this season I'm seriously jealous of those able to travel to this one.
According to the Sussex BBC man on comms today there is pace and bounce in the Hove wickets this season, that's certainly what they aim to produce anyway.
Bowling would seem to be their strong suit, the batting line-up, except for Pujara, looks a little lightweight, on paper!
Possible Yorkshire XI: Lyth, Bean, Masood, Wharton, Luxton, Hill, Tattersall, Bess, Thompson, Coad, Leech.
The ones in bold I would be confident of playing.
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Post by davemorton on May 14, 2024 0:43:37 GMT
Difficult to read the mind of OG, but assuming Fisher is unfit I think Revis and Edwards are both ahead of Leech in the pecking order, and that Moriarty is ahead of Bess, but why wouldn't they both play, again? Unless someone realises that Lyth is probably our best spinner! (In which case Bess still makes the XI for his batting, perhaps.)
Lyth, Bean, Masood, Hill, Wharton or Luxton, Revis, Tattersall, Bess, Fisher or Thompson, Coad, Moriarty would be my choice, with Luxton (rather than Wharton) as the like-for-like Brook replacement.
I think our bowling will make their batting look very good.
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Post by davemorton on May 14, 2024 7:51:30 GMT
15 years ago, August 2009, Yorkshire travelled to Hove with relegation in the balance (no problem with that in 2024!). We won the toss and batted, and at 209 for seven probably wished we hadn't. Two uncapped young all-rounders came to the rescue with a partnership of 157, Shahzad 88, Wainwright 85*, to take us to 403, but with Hamilton-Brown scoring 171*, they made 448, Shahzad four for 84, Wainwright five for 134. Rudolph scored 70, but Yorkshire made only 284, and Sussex were strolling it, when I left early to make the 280 mile drive home. Actually, I didn't get home any earlier, suffering a puncture near Oxford on the A34. The good news was that Sussex collapsed from 37 for no wicket to 83 all out, Hoggard, who had scored 26 batting number 11, took four for 29 and Wainwright four for 12. We won, and we survived; Sussex were relegated. Attachments:
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Post by slowleftarmer on May 14, 2024 7:52:26 GMT
Well its time for our talented youngsters to take over the mantle and show where they are relative to our England stars. So Hill and Revis may be slightly ahead of Luxton and Wharton but whoever gets the nod needs to take their chance.
It might also be a chance for Leech or Cliff - we surely cannot seriously consider Edwards?
And the other factor might be Duke who is in form with the bat and could play as a batter or a keeper but I would still keep Tatts in there.
So I would go with Lyth Bean Masood Luxton, Hill Revis Tatts Bess Thompson Coad Leech/Fisher/Milnes/Cliff (one of them based on whoever is fit enough)
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Post by davemorton on May 14, 2024 8:09:47 GMT
They've picked Moriarty in every game so far, so why is everyone writing him off? I'm not saying he's Johnny Wardle(!), but he is better than the pace alternatives, and Edwards is better than any of the other 2nd XI seamers, believe me.
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Post by newby on May 14, 2024 9:13:46 GMT
I think with Ollie Robinson probably available for this match to join Seales, Karvelas, Hudson-Prentice and Lamb the wicket is unlikely to favour spin until the very last part of the very last day if at all.
I'm happy to go with Bess and Moriarty in the team under certain circumstances, but not for this game so I'm picking Bess in the squad for his all rounder roll, mainly his batting.
I like all rounders, but having 3 in the team would be too many, in my view so one of Hill, Revis, or indeed Bess wouldn't make the starting XI. If there is some bounce and carry perhaps this is the sort of pitch that might suit Revis more than Hill. We might need Hill's batting though so it's not a straightforward decision.
As far as I know Edwards still has a foot problem and Fisher is also injured. I don't see Thompson as an opening bowler therefore I think either Leech or Cliff has to come into the side.
Of course the coach may have a rabbit to pull out of his hat!
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Post by tykemania on May 14, 2024 9:40:45 GMT
On the assumption that we are not going to find out in the next 24 hours that we have found a suitable overseas pace bowler for a couple of games, we are going to have to go with what we have, which is not a bad thing in some ways, provided we are happy with another season in the second tier.
With Root and Brook denied to us, and Milnes, Fisher and (thankfully) Edwards out injured, I think any side is going to be a bit of a false construct. I always think of Hill as a double chance in selection stakes - he could be selected as a frontline batsman or as an all rounder, so in my mind he joins Lyth, Bean, Masood, Tattersall, Thompson and Coad in the certainties, to whom I think I would add Moriarty not because I think he is the better all round cricketer than Bess, but because I think he will be needed to block up an end and has better control. The rest of the squad will probably be Wharton, Luxton, Revis, Bess and Leech, and then take a look at the pitch from there.
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Post by slowleftarmer on May 14, 2024 9:50:18 GMT
yet Bess had the better economy rate in the last game relative to Moriarty, who seemed to be preferred by the skipper based on the greater number of overs he bowled
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Post by davemorton on May 14, 2024 9:53:25 GMT
In the last couple of minutes I have received a second email from Sussex CCC, billing the match as the 'Battle of Two English Test Heavyweights, as Joe Root's Yorkshire' come to Hove'.
Not only is Joe playing, Sussex have appointed him captain, as well. Perhaps they know something we don't? Presumably their 'English heavyweight' is Olly Robinson. Can't think of anyone else. Yes, obviously Pujara, but the message specified 'English'.
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Post by tykemania on May 14, 2024 10:59:17 GMT
yet Bess had the better economy rate in the last game relative to Moriarty, who seemed to be preferred by the skipper based on the greater number of overs he bowled Given that most of their overs in teh second innings were with men around the bat, I would be inclined not to read too much into that.
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Post by tykemania on May 14, 2024 10:59:49 GMT
In the last couple of minutes I have received a second email from Sussex CCC, billing the match as the 'Battle of Two English Test Heavyweights, as Joe Root's Yorkshire' come to Hove'. Not only is Joe playing, Sussex have appointed him captain, as well. Perhaps they know something we don't? Presumably their 'English heavyweight' is Olly Robinson. Can't think of anyone else. Yes, obviously Pujara, but the message specified 'English'. Well, Baz of Bazball infamy has complained that Ollie carries rather too much timber so...
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Post by newby on May 14, 2024 11:42:58 GMT
Perhaps Root playing is a possibility. Ollie Robinson is supposedly playing in this game and even Ben Stokes is threatening to turn out for Durham on Friday. That would suggest that if the England Test players had planned a training camp at St Andrews for next week, the plans have been altered.
Nice to have him in the team obviously but it's the bowling where we need a Test class recruit to give us the chance of a win at Hove.
On the other hand, I don't like the idea of playing for a draw, but, if you doubt you have the attack to take 20 wickets, then perhaps packing your side with batsmen is one way of trying to ensure they can't take 20 wickets either.
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Post by slowleftarmer on May 14, 2024 12:16:00 GMT
Bess was also more economical in the 1st innings when they too 4 wickets apiece despite Bess bowling 16 fewer overs too
BOWLING O M R W ECON WD NB Ben Coad 15 4 30 1 2.00 0 0 Matthew Fisher 14 3 56 0 4.00 0 0 Dan Moriarty 29 6 74 4 2.55 0 0 Matthew Revis 7 2 26 0 3.71 0 0 Dom Bess 13 5 25 4 1.92 0 0 Joe Root 1 0 4 0 4.00 0 0
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Post by newby on May 14, 2024 13:21:40 GMT
I might withdraw my suggestion that Dom Leech should be in the squad. In his 3 overs at BPA I've just noticed he sent down 4 no balls. In the SACA total of 14 for 0, 10 of the runs were extras down to him. For Leech read Cliff.
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Post by davemorton on May 14, 2024 14:39:20 GMT
Ben Cliff (21) is young enough to come good, one day; but probably not this Friday. Still, if he gets his chance, he carries our hopes and best wishes.
But, with two specialist spinners and Coad, plus Lyth, Revis, Hill, Thompson - that's seven. Quantity if not quality. And every one of them can bat, except Moriarty.
Wilfred Rhodes said that it was okay* to go for runs, so long as you also took wickets: thus 10 overs, 4 for 60, would be fine, in our modern context. He also said it was fine not to take wickets, so long as you weren't going for runs: the Patto 10-6-10-0, much missed.
Good teams have both types, a balance.
* Would Wilfred have said 'okay'? Or is that a neologism, since his day?
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