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Post by newby on Jun 4, 2024 7:42:25 GMT
I usually have a look at the cricketer website to see if anything earth shattering is happening in the game, and then try to find something about it elsewhere that isn't behind a paywall.
I was surprised to find zero reporting of the fact that Essex have been charged by the cricket regulator over allegations of racist language and conduct between 2001 and 2010.
I don't want another full blown scandal on the scale of the one that happened to us to engulf Essex, but I do expect the magazine whose chief writer did most to stoke the flames to at least feel the charges against Essex are at least worth reporting on.
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Post by hawke on Jun 4, 2024 9:59:50 GMT
I usually have a look at the cricketer website to see if anything earth shattering is happening in the game, and then try to find something about it elsewhere that isn't behind a paywall. I was surprised to find zero reporting of the fact that Essex have been charged by the cricket regulator over allegations of racist language and conduct between 2001 and 2010. I don't want another full blown scandal on the scale of the one that happened to us to engulf Essex, but I do expect the magazine whose chief writer did most to stoke the flames to at least feel the charges against Essex are at least worth reporting on. With the WC on and making headlines it’s a good time to hide bad news as they say. Essex might be relieved about that. And with General Election coverage it’s especially a good time to hide it. Not quite the sensational headlines Rafiq and Dobell and their financial backers managed…..Seems at least 3 players reported complaints. Presumably there is more to come.
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Post by karma on Jun 4, 2024 12:25:00 GMT
I think unfortunately the allegations of racism cover quite a period and I think apart from the Chairman's * faut pas there are already three separate complainants .
I have the impression these have already been investigated by Essex (their solicitors) and there may be sanctions . It seems a very light touch both in relatingvto not naming claimed miscreants and a low level of media involvement. If I was a cynic I'd be saying something like the timing of the announcement coincided with The Select Committee and Parliament 'not at work' so it could escape much notice. The new independent body set up last year will now look further into allegation against the club ( in breach of ECB regulation 3.3
There have been further claims of racialism after Essex's first investigative report was published so it seems much worse than the single claimant against Yorkshire , Azeem Rafiq .
I also hope this does not become another feeding frenzy by the media and politicians
* I think their ex-chair should have said, " fly in the ointment " rather than referring to woodpiles
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Post by newby on Jun 4, 2024 12:55:09 GMT
Cricketer now has an article about Essex, the timeline is 16:45 yesterday but there was nothing there this morning.
Individuals are not going to be named, I suspect those making the complaints have been paid off and will not be going on a crusade to bring the club down, unlike others.
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Post by hawke on Jun 4, 2024 18:31:09 GMT
yes there is presumably something afoot behind the scenes… let’s see what if any sanctions are eventually handed down
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Post by donnylad on Jun 4, 2024 19:07:53 GMT
Well .... do I smell furry creature with bare tails somewhere around?
How very convenient for everyone.
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Post by hawke on Jun 5, 2024 5:49:05 GMT
looks like Essex hope the ECB go easy on them as they have responded quickly, transparently and positively, their feelings, to the accusations, having learned from Yorkshire having been caught in the headlights, my term. The not naming is interesting and not transparent but perhaps Essex are leaving that to the ECB's further investigation.
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Post by karma on Jun 5, 2024 7:10:20 GMT
I think part of the difference for the current 'lite touch' might relate that we have a different process NOW. Formerly the ECB carried out investigations and referred these to the CDC. Following a recommendation from the ICEC report a new investigative regulator, 'The Cricket Independent Regulator' was formed at the end of 2023
Part of the rationale from the recommendation in the ICEC report is to provide a division or wall between the main regulator, the ECB, and the investigation of potential 'wrongdoings (in this case under the ECB directive 3.3 which deals with 'bringing the game into disrepute','racism' ) Previously the ECB when dealing with YCCC made statements, proposed actions against the club ( no Test Cricket) , outlined charges and gathered together evidence (my words: to prove the charges) and passed this to the CDC
So it is now the Cricket Independent Regulator (and not the ECB) who will be going forward with investigations into Essex Cricket Club. They will then report their findings (evidence) to the CDC . Then I assume real charges and action could be forthcoming
I suppose in Yorkshire's case the ECB made accusations and then set out to prove them .This was brought into sharp focus (I think) when it was discovered that in relation Michael Vaughan and to the alleged 'you lot', witness statements were taken only from four Asian members of the team and not the other team members, the cameraman, sound engineer etc
So I welcome the change in the process. Wish that it had been in force for Yorkshire, I believe there would have been a different outcome (but obviously we'll never know) I do believe there would have been a better process, less judgements before proper investigation, less briefings and leaks against Yorkshire, less media hysteria and a fairer application of natural justice.
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Post by newby on Jun 5, 2024 9:28:37 GMT
I think that is all very true Karma and of course this time the eyes of the world aren't on the ECB forcing them to take action and quick.
Essex have been and are being punished financially, £750,000 or thereabout at the last count in terms of legal fees, compensation etc and that will I'm sure continue to grow as the process drags on. Charles Dicken's had much to say on the workings of the law and lawyers, it seems to me nothing much has changed in 200 years.
If the charges are followed through to their natural conclusion you would imagine natural justice would demand a large fine and points deduction will follow somewhere down the line, I think that will next season rather than this given the time these things take.
I don't want to see players or ex players named and face what their Yorkshire counterparts have had to face, the names will probably come out at some time in the future when very few will be interested in reading about it.
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Post by hawke on Jun 5, 2024 13:10:44 GMT
thanks for those details Karma
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Post by hawke on Jun 5, 2024 13:11:54 GMT
indeed Newby we don’t want accused Essex players treated in the Yorkshire people were
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Post by tykemania on Jun 6, 2024 10:46:23 GMT
indeed Newby we don’t want accused Essex players treated in the Yorkshire people were I'm pretty sure they won't be, as they do not play for Yorkshire. If you get my meaning!
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Post by newby on Jun 9, 2024 13:10:11 GMT
Just noticed on the Derbyshire website they are selling a 'festival ticket' covering 5 days play at Chesterfield when they take on Yorkshire in the CC on Sunday the 30th of June, followed by the T20 game on Sunday the 7th of July.
£49 is the offer, which looks like a bargain for anyone in the South of the County contemplating doing the 5 days. It also guarantees a T20 blast ticket which quite often sells out for the Yorkshire fixture at Queens Park.
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Post by newby on Jun 13, 2024 7:46:04 GMT
Well done to Joe Root on receiving his MBE the other day at Windsor Castle.
The award itself was made several years ago after the 2019 World Cup win. I presume he received it initially in the post, which isn't the same thing at all.
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Post by karma on Jun 13, 2024 9:09:41 GMT
Yes.Very well done Joseph Edward Root MBE
I'll give him an extra clap on Sunday both for actually now being presented with it,for continuing to turn out for Yorkshie and for performing well with bat and ball
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