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Post by davemorton on Nov 20, 2023 1:04:37 GMT
There are some old fashioned cricket virtues - like bowling at the stumps, whilst thinking on your feet and being flexible; playing for your team; 100% effort in the field; above all, cricket intelligence.
These qualities Australia had and, in the final analysis, India didn't. It might be simplistic to contrast the cult of the individual with the culture of the team. What do you think?
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Post by tbsteve on Nov 20, 2023 2:00:13 GMT
I find myself searching the playing conditions looking for a way by which it is possible for both teams to lose! Fully agree! A final between the only two international teams that I dislike. India seem to be corrupting the calendar, and have way too much power. Look at the pitch swap in the semi for an example. Plus guys like Kohli are so difficult to like. I used to have a lot of respect for Australia, and they would have been my number 2 team, but there was too much bad feeling in the Ashes. They are still complaining about the England guys not having a drink with them, and pundits continue conspiracy theories about the ball. Pretty sad that either of them had to win. But the memes from the closing ceremony - where Cummins was left on his lonesome - almost make up for it.
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Post by karma on Nov 20, 2023 6:44:36 GMT
This was the only game that I actually watched (in part at least), we stumbled upon it on tv at home returning from a walk.
Given that India had beaten everybody in the competition already and Australia had their thinking heads on to take the final but also my personal prejudice, I'm going to call the whole competition another DRAW, a bit of a bore.
This was interspersed with good performances from South Africa (whom I thought might get to the final) and flashes of teams punching above their weight.
My award to the real winners is to AFGANISTAN. This is tempered somewhat by the fact that the Taliban have banned women's cricket, even though we should try to keep politics out of sport.
Yes there were some good individual performances in the final particularly for those who kept their Head.
Strangely enough I was turned off watching the final somewhat by the Aussie commentator, he seemed to be 'bigging up' his native team to a ridiculous extent instead of commentating (he should go into politics) If there is a next time, I'm going to do what I sometimes did 'in the old days' , which is watch the screen, turn down the sound, but listen to Test Match Special.
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Post by slowleftarmer on Nov 20, 2023 8:02:40 GMT
Enjoyable match to watch for a number of reasons.
As it did not involve England it was not so frustrating. Could watch and enjoy and marvel at some of the skills.
I wondered how many of the India replica shirts had been discarded at the exit gates, the spectators seemed to leave very early once it was clear India were not going to win and fair play to the Aussies for silencing and even removing the crowd.
Another Indian batter stood there in disbelief, dissent in some peoples eyes, when patently out. In an earlier game Maharaj clean bowled Gill and he stood and they waited for a replay to show the ball had clipped the off bail. Yesterday Kohli took an age to get off when dismissed, bringing to mind the WG Grace, "they have come to watch me bat, not you bowl" line where he seemed to think he was allowed a Mulligan and allowed a second go.
The Aussie win centred around all their Yorkiies, with Head's fantastic century, Starc's wickets, Inglis's catches behind the stumps and Maxy getting the all important wicket of Sharma when he looked set to take the game away early on.
The bonus for me was that the Aussie win saw minimal contributions from their 2 least liked players, Warner and Smith, although the latter could have adopted the Kohli rule and referred his lbw to DRS and would have been not out.
I get fed up of seeing the over exuberant Kohli celebrating like a wild banshee when they take a wicket and he runs around somewhere off camera whilst everyone else goes to hug the bowler. And at the end his face said it all when he went up to get the player of the tournament award and failed to shake hands with the group handing out the awards, something the Aussies all happily did when they went up for things. Some players need to learn to lose better and more sportingly. Ok you have lost a big final in your own country but show some dignity and respect.
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Post by hawke on Nov 20, 2023 8:16:11 GMT
This was the only game that I actually watched (in part at least), we stumbled upon it on tv at home returning from a walk. Given that India had beaten everybody in the competition already and Australia had their thinking heads on to take the final but also my personal prejudice, I'm going to call the whole competition another DRAW, a bit of a bore. This was interspersed with good performances from South Africa (whom I thought might get to the final) and flashes of teams punching above their weight. My award to the real winners is to AFGANISTAN. This is tempered somewhat by the fact that the Taliban have banned women's cricket, even though we should try to keep politics out of sport. Yes there were some good individual performances in the final particularly for those who kept their Head. Strangely enough I was turned off watching the final somewhat by the Aussie commentator, he seemed to be 'bigging up' his native team to a ridiculous extent instead of commentating (he should go into politics) If there is a next time, I'm going to do what I sometimes did 'in the old days' , which is watch the screen, turn down the sound, but listen to Test Match Special. yes what is the background of the Afghanistan team? I once read a lot of Afghans had learned the game as refugees in Pakistan. They are indeed a success story and seems great for the sport.
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Post by hawke on Nov 20, 2023 8:23:51 GMT
I don’t have Sky etc and only follow international cricket via scores updates which I frequently follow during the day. so know nothing about players’ attitudes so interesting to hear opinion about Kohli and the Indian team. I suppose given India’s perceived clout and muscle in the world game, there may be a pleasant irony about their defeat. I’m afraid to me international cricket just gets in the way of the important matter, county cricket.
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Post by newby on Nov 20, 2023 9:26:54 GMT
Glad it's over but I'll miss it going on in the background and occasionally grabbing my full attention.
Surprised how quickly the Indian's fell away, the downside of a 6/5 team with no all rounders is they daren't push on, but lost the wickets anyway. A bit like England in a couple of their games.
That was Australia's sixth World Cup win so it should come as no surprise to us that they managed to find a way. Good captaincy and well done to the lad from Leeds who went really as the reserve, but made the keeper role his own.
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Post by byased on Nov 20, 2023 9:39:35 GMT
A bit like football, I tend to watch with the sound either off or very low. One of the benefits of watching sport live is that there are no commentators. The media hype everything up, and so I largely ignore what they say. I remember Rod Marsh, when he was England coach, saying that the ashes were just a game of cricket, despite the interviewer trying to get him to be more controversial. These blokes are now well paid, and I suspect the old fashioned rivalry in England/Australia games, that no doubt did exist, is now long gone. They play to win of course, but the media make more of it, the players have to answer stupid questions and then get misquoted when they reply. Glad Australia won, the home nation has an advantage in these tournaments so good that an "away" team won the competition
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Post by newby on Nov 20, 2023 14:09:31 GMT
The commentary hasn't been too bad for the most part. Unfortunately with Australia doing so well they have gone to Mark (Howie) Howard. I think you have to be at least 150% Aussie to appreciate his whiny, every balls an event style. He does the big bash which is where he ought to stay.
Agree about the embarrassing hype but it's increasingly the way of the world to grab the attention of those not fully committed.
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Post by karma on Nov 22, 2023 13:45:19 GMT
Still suffering withdrawal symptoms from the 2023 World Cup? Bit too long, dragged out? was for me and I only watched part of the final game.
Now we can start looking forward to the 2027 World Cup to be held in South Africa, Zimbabwe and Namibia , with the first two names automatically qualifying as co-hosts. I see an opportunity for Gary Balance to be involved either as a commentator, summariser or pundit.
There will be an increase to 14 participating teams, split into 2 leagues each of seven, with each team playing all others in that mini-league. The top 3 teams in each combine to form the 'super six' stage , leading on to semi-finals and final Phew. Fine detail to follow.
I just hope they plan to have more than one game each day or it will become a marathon. Hang on though , that's not cricket.
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Post by newby on Nov 22, 2023 16:40:35 GMT
I'm just hoping to be around and able to take notice, as well as solids, in 2027.
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Post by karma on Nov 22, 2023 17:39:57 GMT
Oh me too. I like to feel the sun, wind or rain on my face, cricket and football meet that need.
I've got my 2024 membership and I always aim to get good value for money. I aim also to have my photo taken again with the trophy when Yorks next win the CC Div1 title.
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Post by donnylad on Nov 22, 2023 19:49:30 GMT
I'm just hoping to be around and able to take notice, as well as solids, in 2027. Oh don't we all Newby, don't we all!!
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