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Post by hawke on Apr 29, 2024 13:32:12 GMT
Hodson should be a real asset to the club
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Post by newby on May 12, 2024 20:40:56 GMT
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Post by hawke on May 12, 2024 21:07:50 GMT
very interesting but that boat will have sailed
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Post by newby on May 13, 2024 20:08:09 GMT
You are probably right but I'm quite pleased to see that the club feels confident enough to challenge the ECB's rotten decision making.
I'm not saying that Durham don't deserve a tier 1 team, but having a fully fledged team gifted to them, with Yorkshire basically being told to hand them over and then having to start again to build another team from scratch to join an expanded league a year later seems wrong on so many levels. Not least the upheaval caused to the players, coaches and others involved.
The divide and conquer tactics being used by the ECB in this matter are very similar to that they are using in the hundred to push through their agenda.
Knowing that having 8 privileged Counties isn't enough to carry their wishes through, they hold out the carrot of expansion to get the numbers in their favour. Yorkshire and Glamorgan in the case of the Tier 1 teams, Durham and the Southwest region in terms of the hundred.
We may well get nowhere, but challenging the decision at least gives us a better chance than just accepting it.
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Post by slowleftarmer on May 14, 2024 7:46:34 GMT
The bigger concern here is not that the Yorkshire ladies will migrate to Durham to play higher level cricket, but there is also the risk they may go south to Notts or worse still west to Lancashire which may be more local to their base than a schlep up to Durham.
Sadly it seems to me that a poorly managed problem on the mens side is now impacting more on the womens side of the game unfairly
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Post by donnylad on May 14, 2024 8:57:03 GMT
Sadly the E*C*B*s, lead by Wrong Key and his acolytes, have made it clear what they think some counties should be allowed to do and others not. It is little short of corruption and I am sure that money will be swilling around one way or another.
It is correct to appeal and to press the case. I think the G & T boys will simply file it in waste bin A.
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Post by karma on May 20, 2024 17:12:41 GMT
An e-mail from Colin Graves setting out the current and likely financial position of YCCC arrived today. It also pointed towards the possibility (probability) of direction towards de-mutualisation and under Colin's stewardship, as he pointed out at the EGM, "all that members currently enjoy would continue"
Personally I've been thinking for some time that if 75% of members regard their membership as a season ticket and can't be *r*e* to vote then that's the way things will end up . If people don't value what Membership provides then it'll soon be gone. Perhaps when it has, people will suddenly claim that they were robbed of it by scare tactics.
The difficulty might be getting enough votes to demutualise but if the board use the carrot and stick to good effect (bribe and scare tactics) then you can lead a horse to water, if you'll excuse my mixed metaphors. Don't think I'll have the energy to fight it. 🗳 💰
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Post by donnylad on May 20, 2024 18:16:11 GMT
Well it hasn't taken long before Mr Graves starts backtracking on what he said before getting the job has it??
I am not judging the rights and / or wrongs of 'demutualisation' .... it may be it is the only way, it may be that the only way, it may be that many members cannot be a*sed to get involved. My gripe is the fork tongued speak. How long before we see the YCCC Cricket plc brand that we jested about during last year with Mr Graves as CEO ... at a very reasonable remuneration of course?
(It was very interesting during the Hove Horror Show to hear the commentary team discussing members' meetings/AGMs etc. The awful Charlie Whatsherface (a 'cricket journalist') and I think Doidge, were discussing these. 'Charlie' gave her opinion along the lines that they were OK until they started discussing a few percent here, a little difference there, and then they were 'boring'. How on earth does she ... and the 'can't be a*rsed' brigade expect to keep any organisation running? They live in a 'just get a Greggs' /Sky Sh*te world where everything is managed by someone else and all I do is drop a sub or a fee their way. Don't care about anything as long as I get my fat laden sandwich and my 200 channels anytime I want them.)
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Post by hawke on May 20, 2024 20:07:12 GMT
Rafiq Dobell Dobell Rafiq Whatever you think There’s the fall
The financial mess mess mess mess is down to the, to my mind as yet unproven and unchallenged, accusations.
I don’t support or like The Hundred but if it hadn’t been Graves it would undoubtedly have been someone else.
Perhaps Graves came back to YCCC with an open mind (but a favoured reserve option) and has been shocked at what he has found and has decided this is the only course open. Sadly he is probably right.
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Post by byased on May 20, 2024 21:09:48 GMT
I am never quite sure what the benefits of membership are. I know you can buy tickets etc, but so can anyone else. Maybe a bit cheaper for members? but in reality do they have any say in the running of the club? I think if Graves is willing to sort out the financial mess, then he needs to create a structure that can be profitable in the long run. That seems to be all about international matches, the hundred, and the t20 at present. No doubt there are other things in the pipeline. YCCC is a well known brand, but not a particularly successful one during the past 50 odd years. i think he has his work cut out.
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Post by slowleftarmer on May 21, 2024 7:57:59 GMT
if I had money effectively loaned to YCCC and I saw the current state of the place, i would be keen to have a more active role to protect my investment/loan and chances of getting my money back.
He has more skin in the game to make it a success than any fresh outsider coming in. If by some miracle he can turn things around and make YCCC profitable, his investment protected, i would have no qualms in him taking some share of the profits/healthier finances as ultimately it would mean I still had a cricket club to support.
Am i bothered about what it might mean for my voting rights and class of membership? Not one jot. I have had the benefits of that when we have been under previous regimes but it has not stopped them making reckless decisions, losing money hand over fist and generally managing incompetently
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Post by newby on May 21, 2024 8:20:38 GMT
"Yorkshire Cricket belongs to the members of the club and their ownership of the historic Yorkshire Cricket Club is at the heart of our county," said Sobel.
I suspect, unless he can claim it on expenses, Sobel isn't a member.
I know some people do feel their membership gives them ownership but it's always been a strange concept to me.
Perhaps it was at the time of CG's first intervention I seem to remember there was some nervousness that the members might have to cough up some money to pay the clubs debts. Such a concept no longer applies, membership I know is purchased for many different reasons but it carries no real responsibility, it isn't something you are forced to pay and you can stop it at any time.
That's surely not an ownership model.
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Post by donnylad on May 21, 2024 12:26:11 GMT
I am not a member. Age, travelling distance and local commitments make that a poor option.
I support the club. I recognise that what Mr G says may be the only way and I understand what previous posters have said about the perceived/actual value of membership.
What sticks in my throat is the 'no demutualisation on my watch; statement and the position as described in the recent email.
There is a smack of expedient dishonesty there.
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Post by hawke on May 21, 2024 19:10:25 GMT
I don’t follow this as closely as I should but do we have exact quotes from Graves re members’ club prior to this recent message?
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Post by newby on May 21, 2024 20:21:36 GMT
The ECB have announced that Yorkshire will now host a tier 1 women's team from 2026 instead of 2027 as first announced. This is obviously an improved offer and perhaps some of the Northern Diamonds and support staff can be tempted to remain based at Headingley and take a season in tier 2 rather than relocating.
We will have to see how it goes, while it's not perfect it does open up the possibility that the current structure won't need to be totally dismantled only to need rebuilding 2 years later.
The further expansion to 10 teams will see Glamorgan join tier 1 in 2027.
Probably as far as the ECB could get to climbing down on the issue without actually having to admit to climbing down.
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