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Post by byased on Oct 25, 2023 23:36:18 GMT
Just when it seemed things were quietening down on the off the field front, a trustee of the cricket foundation has been removed following some ill advised social media comments. The club statement seems to be one of blind panic. No names given, but no doubt it will come out over the next few days. Why do people use social media without stopping to think first?
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oh dear
Oct 26, 2023 7:24:08 GMT
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Post by karma on Oct 26, 2023 7:24:08 GMT
Of course this is bad, the BBC picked up the news
As byased says why do people use social media and think it's anonymous?
On the other hand should all similar trustees throw open their social media accounts for inspection?
Many employers and prospective employers check on employees and applicant's social media accounts.
Social media is always out there forever
PRESUMABLY MR DOBELL WILL BE REVISING THE BOOK WOT HE'S WRITING FOR RAFIQ, AS PROOF OF HOW RACIST IS YCCCC!!!!
I WONDER WOULD THE BBC HAVE BEEN SO QUICK TO PUBLISH THIS IN A MAJOR WAY IF IT HAD BEEN ANY COUNTY THAN YORKSHIRE???
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Post by newby on Oct 26, 2023 7:48:42 GMT
This is a product of the current tensions in the middle east. I think looking at he mans history you could see he might be a bit extreme.
Bashir was selected as the Conservative Party candidate in Leeds North East, but he was then suspended from the party on 20 November 2019 because of alleged comments he had made.[34] Bashir remained on the ballot paper as the Conservative Party candidate[34] and finished second.[35]
The comments in question were originally while he was a UKIP MEP. During a debate on 11 September 2014 in the European Parliament, Bashir had described British Jews travelling to Israel and returning as "brainwashed extremists". These comments were perceived as anti-Israel and as potentially antisemitic[36] and, when resurfacing (from a Jewish Chronicle exclusive) on 18 November, were condemned by the Board of Deputies on the same day.[34][37][38][39] Bashir apologised for the comments he had made.[40]
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Oct 26, 2023 8:03:29 GMT
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Post by karma on Oct 26, 2023 8:03:29 GMT
Thanks for that Newby, you are very well informed and, from what I understand not a direct YCCC connection a la Rafiq affair.
We don't want any more mud being thrown and sticking with the club I support
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Post by newby on Oct 26, 2023 8:11:19 GMT
I think you could find hundreds of local politicians and others from all parties who have taken a stance against their party leaders support for Isreal during the current crisis. Unfortunately this so easily moves from anti-Isreal the country, to anti-semitism.
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Post by byased on Oct 26, 2023 8:38:10 GMT
thanks for the info Newby. It does beg the question why he is a trustee in the first place, or was not moved on a while ago when the political party suspension took place, Someone could maybe have thought an ex UKIP MEP was not a good fit for the "new" Yorkshire. Hindsight always useful though
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Oct 26, 2023 22:13:47 GMT
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Post by hawke on Oct 26, 2023 22:13:47 GMT
The BBC were quick to post generally about this but have yet to follow it up with the pertinent details. Nothing later on the BBC radio national news about the matter or background. Do you laugh or cry or both?
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Post by newby on Oct 27, 2023 7:51:08 GMT
Shush, keep it quiet but no follow-up.
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Post by newby on Dec 8, 2023 15:42:19 GMT
A report has been published into the complaints of player at Essex.
Several ex-Essex players were victims of "racist abuse and discriminatory treatment" during their time at the club, a report has concluded.
The complaints related to a period from the mid 1990s to 2013 and the report said they reflected a dressing room culture which regarded ethnic, racial and religious comments as "banter"
"Those at the receiving end of this treatment were too scared to speak up for fear of damaging their prospects of selection and progression," the report continues.
"There was a lack of understanding of the needs of Muslim players. The catering was of an unacceptable standard, there were no proper prayer facilities, and little thought was given to the scheduling and location of team events during Ramadan."
In the real world I suspect the dressing room was pretty typical across most Counties, but in the light of how shocked everybody has been over the happenings within Yorkshire then who knows how this will end up.
Or have we taken the sting out of it I wonder.
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Post by karma on Dec 8, 2023 16:52:58 GMT
When I first saw details of the Essex transgressions with them 'only' being fined £50,000 for what in my opinion were multiple victims, rather than (mainly) Azeem Rafiq in Yorkshire's case, I thought our punishments were disproportionately harsh.
But then I thought the circumstances are different because of the alleged attempts to bury the bad news at Yorkshire. Yes the words 'banter' are common but Rafiq's claims were apparently ignored and then followed allegedly by an attempt to 'buy him off'.
At Yorkshire it was claimed there was obfuscation and burying a report prepared by lawyers claiming it was confidential and 'naming names could lead to litigation'. Also the ECB, when asked for help, 'wrung its hands' and hid behind " we are the regulator" and saying, as such that they, "couldn't regulate and help" (which I know is untrue). It is felt the ECB were distancing themselves from assisting Yorkshire so that they could also distance themselves from any blame for allowing a culture of 'banter' to come into being.
Once the genie was out of the bottle at Yorkshire, it was a dark day (and Knight) when the Commons Select Committee broadcast the uncontested allegations or claims made by Rafiq.
Then PR took over and with the help of journalist and author Doorbell, throwing petrol on the flames, having an inside to who was involved
I'm surprised when they charged and put on trial those individuals at Yorkshire that they didn't wheel in a guillotine and have ladies knitting in anticipation of the verdicts
But yes we took part of the sting out of it. Others haven't had points deducted (yet)
Oh and nurse , I think I've missed my medication!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by newby on Dec 8, 2023 19:02:46 GMT
I think the £50,000 fine was for the meeting in which the chairman used 'Agatha Christie era language' to describe what was hiding in the woodpile.
I would expect further punishment for the treatment of Chambers and others to follow in due course.
I don't expect and I wouldn't like to see Essex dragged through the mud to the extent that Yorkshire were but I don't see that one lot of banter can be laughed off, while another lot of banter can ruin lives and careers.
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Post by tykemania on Dec 8, 2023 20:48:41 GMT
Having read the BBC and ESPN reports on this, I can only say that Essex must have a very significant punishment coming their way. Unlike at Yorkshire, where - however badly the disgraced Mr Knight tried to paint it - the sins were mostly of mismanagement rather than racism, and where only the most one eyed of observers (i.e. Knight) could not see that the real story was far more nuanced, Essex have been found guilty of serial racism as well as the mismanagement. If our sentence was the sacking of the entire coaching staff and committee and huge point deductions, one can surely only conclude that Essex must get significantly worse.
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Dec 8, 2023 20:50:10 GMT
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Post by hawke on Dec 8, 2023 20:50:10 GMT
Yes YCCC made a hash of their investigation but they had no example to follow and probably did not believe much of Rafiq’s allegations or felt they were exaggerated to the point of being inaccurate. I suspect those in charge also wanted to protect Gary Balllance whom they may have liked much more than Azeem Rafiq. They might also have panicked. Ultimately they seem to have made the situation much worse. Much so that the Parliamentary Committee may have felt they had to believe one side of the story without question, which is not what they should do, question.
So Essex made a point of appointing an outside panel to investigate . But interestingly as yet no names mentioned. Before that Lancashire handed out fines and rebukes to players for past transgressions on social media in their teens. Can’t recall how Glamorgan handled matters and of course Cricket Scotland underwent a big investigation.
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Post by karma on Dec 8, 2023 21:38:55 GMT
Regarding Gary Balance v Azeem Rafiq in the minds of YCCC I can't really say who was the most believable. I might have mentioned this before in which case I apologise. Some 11 months ago I went with Mrs karma to RAF Cosford .It's a free Air museum and which I heartily recommend to one and all.
Although free, you still have to check in and the lady who did this for us said 'Ooh , that's a Yorkshire accent' 'Yes', and we got talking . She was from Zimbabwe and 'did we like cricket?' . Anyway to cut the story short, she and her family know the Balances well ( in Zimbabwe ) She went on to describe as it was then in the news how unfortunate things had turned out for Gary and Yorkshire. She outlined how when Gary invited his friend Azeem out to Zimbabwe they provided him with his own house and car and introduced him to lots of people within and outside cricket Also took Azeem on two holidays.
While I was not party to any conversations in the UK between Gary and Azeem I still find it difficult to believe that it was anything other than , yes, banter, between two friends .That might have been the genuine findings and view also taken by YCCC. and reflected upon action they took .
But of course we'll never know even when Dobell's Rafiq's book comes out about the start of the new season. I won't be buying it though like the ' Likely Lads ' sketch mentioned by SLA, it will be hard to avoid hearing it.
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Post by newby on Dec 8, 2023 21:59:52 GMT
This from the Cricketer, the rest is behind a paywall.
GEORGE DOBELL: While none of the perpetrators are named, The Cricketer understands they include a former chair, an ex-head coach, a current player and a member of the coaching staff
The article is headlined "Essex endeavouring to deliver racism report sanctions before end of January"
The Cricketer understands I believe means 'we know who it is but we aren't able to say at the moment'.
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