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Post by davemorton on Aug 17, 2024 22:10:44 GMT
We can possibly gain promotion by winning one game and drawing the rest, providing that win is against Middlesex.
We can likely do it by beating Middlesex and one other, and drawing the rest.
But if we lose any game, we need to win an extra one, so win 3, draw 1, lose 1 should do the job....
....except if we lose to Middlesex we're probably screwed, unless we win all the other four. Probably.
Which two games are the Rob Key Kookaburra draws?
I shall travel to Scarborough, and then Headingley the following week, expecting a fighting performance from our lads. If I get that - and I have done so all season - I will be content enough. If we 'get a result', I might start looking at accommodation in Leicester and Cardiff. Cardiff, actually, remains an unticked box for me, the only County HQ I have never visited except, once, to park my car for a rugby match, which England lost.
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Post by karma on Aug 18, 2024 5:56:14 GMT
Thanks for the alternative scenarios as to what Yorkshire need to do to gain promotion . My head was previously spinning, trying to work out all the permutations. The position would also be certain if Yorkshire just win every remaining game. That would be fantastic but probably beyond them , given the vagaries of the weather, the ball used, the fact that other teams would be trying to beat us and inconsistencies in performances.
I understand that the Yorkshire v Middlesex game is one of two remaining using the Kookaburra ball. How I know this I cannot recall as is the case with most of my beliefs and bits of knowledge that I've accumulated. (and some of which are true)
Edit: When I previously looked at the weather forecast for the four days of the Scarborough game, Thursday and Friday seemed to be so poor and one's on which if I'm up to it, I'd be trying to walk bits of the Cleveland Way with Mrs karma in the rain. Just checked again and the position seems to have improved markedly with rain forecast only on Friday, mid afternoon. The final position will only be clear when we get there . Or not clear if you get my drift.
Friday is the day of the member's forum. which should start at whatever time is announced as this year we won't be waiting for Daren Gough to turn up.
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Post by newby on Aug 18, 2024 8:07:16 GMT
I think the uncertainty about the weather for the game will last for a few days. The remnants of an ex hurricane are being blown this way and it could end up being something or nothing.
I've been severely limited in watching live cricket this season and I'm relying on this game to get some hours in.
I'm in agreement that the Middlesex game is the game we have to win, and win well. Lovely to beat Sussex too of course but not losing is more important. I'm not too proud to settle for promotion on their coat tails come the end of the season.
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Post by karma on Aug 18, 2024 14:53:40 GMT
I think the other game in which the Kookaburra ball is used is the Sussex one. That's both v Middlesx and v Sussex.
I too would like Yorkshire to win both of these fixtures but my belief of that balls use is that games tend to be draws. I'm avoiding the term 'bore draws' as you can have exciting drawn games. Agree if we can't win both or either , important we don't lose
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Post by tykemania on Aug 19, 2024 16:49:11 GMT
Confirmed that Bairstow is in the side for Scarbados. Small mercies.
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Post by newby on Aug 19, 2024 18:43:39 GMT
Whether it's for the single game or whether he suddenly gets a liking for it who can tell. I have the feeling he's likely to be a bits and pieces franchise man for the rest of his career. He would need to put on one heck of a show to improve his chances of getting another game for England in any format. He is surely yesterday's man as far as team England are concerned.
I was privileged to be in the NE Upper on the 10 of May 2016 when he scored 198 and put on 372 in partnership with Joe Root against Surrey. Something half as good would be perfectly acceptable at Scarborough this week and I hope to be there to see it.
Sri Lanka were the touring side that year too.
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Post by davemorton on Aug 19, 2024 20:13:58 GMT
I was present at Trent Bridge in May 2011 when Jonny B made his maiden f-c century. He had been around for quite a while, looking good, but never ticking that particular box. Getting the century was becoming a bit of a burden.
It looked as though Joe Root was going to beat Bairstow to it, 89* overnight, with Jonny on 50* - and Joe had only being playing County cricket for about a month - but he was out for 95 and YJB went on to make 205.
I was also present in Cape Town when YJB scored his maiden Test century, playing second fiddle to Stokes, who made a double.
Both games ended in bore draws as bat dominated ball.
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Post by davemorton on Aug 20, 2024 10:06:31 GMT
I haven't gone to Chesterfield this morning - laziness - and play is delayed anyway, but only for a few minutes. Dom Bess captains and Matt Fisher plays. What do we draw from that?
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Post by tykemania on Aug 20, 2024 11:35:53 GMT
Squad is in for Scarbados - Lyth, Bean, Wharton, Bairstow, Luxton, Tattersall, Hill, Revis, Thompson, Coad, Moriarty, Cliff, Kelly
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Post by newby on Aug 20, 2024 12:36:16 GMT
That leaves Kelly double booked, he's currently batting at Chesterfield.
You can only play XI and it's Kelly and Revis to miss out for me. Obviously they haven't, or couldn't prepare a Bunsen.
I hope Matt Fisher comes through ok I doubt he is going to push himself too much.
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Post by davemorton on Aug 20, 2024 12:56:24 GMT
We're allowed to pull Kelly out of a 2nd XI game and replace him, if we wish.
Tough decision for the final XI. I personally consider Revis 'undroppable', because of the excellence of his batting (and fielding), but there's the balance of the bowling to consider, and also the Kookaburra ball, if that's what we're stuck with.
Coad and Moriarty + either 3 from, or all of, Hill, Revis, Thompson, Cliff.
If they play them all, the tail would be 8 Thompson, 9 Coad, 10 Moriarty, 11 Cliff. That's okay, isn't it? But two batsmen would miss out. Kelly and Luxton?
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Post by tykemania on Aug 20, 2024 13:03:12 GMT
If we are using the kookaburra then Bess' absence is difficult to explain.
But anyway, I would argue that Revis is the only bowler we have who gets reverse swing, as well as being our bounciest bowler, so must surely play. Whether thats as part of a six man attack, or whether one of Hill, Thompson and Cliff miss out instead I don't know. Do the powers that be rate Cliff highly enough?
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Post by karma on Aug 20, 2024 13:08:14 GMT
I haven't gone to Chesterfield this morning - laziness - and play is delayed anyway, but only for a few minutes. Dom Bess captains and Matt Fisher plays. What do we draw from that? I draw from the selection without Bess at Scarborough that this is just so bizarre!!! He should be there with so many left handers in the Sussex team plus Bess's recent form there with the bat . He's showing leadership skills and a positive and never-say-die attitude I could draw a conclusion that Otis Gibson has picked a team to not win, intentionally, as he is being shown the door at season's end . But that would be ridiculous as no coach likes losing and besides he can and should be judged on team performance. I could draw a conclusion that Gibson is just backing his boy, Moriarty, who came on board under his tenure I could almost draw a conclusion that Bess is being side-lined as he's leaving, possibly at season's end though that brings me no joy or understanding why. Is he being paid substantially more than other players and being forced out to reduce costs under colin Graves review? Hard to believe. Or is Bess himself fed-up with the set-up at Yorkshire? Just totally strange that a natural leader by example , good all-rounder and potential captain/vice-captain isn't a first choice. I could draw a conclusion that Gibson isn't actually selecting the team or dictating strategy but if not who is ? As for fisher , he's leaving anyway but this might be conditional upon him giving a decent performance or two before season's end I enjoy supporting and watching Yorkshire but working out what's going on is above my paygrade
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Post by newby on Aug 20, 2024 17:45:24 GMT
I do like Revis, but if we want, and I think we need, an opening bowler to partner Coad then Cliff has to play surely.
Revis has played 6 CC games and taken 8 wickets at 46.88 in 100 overs, you have to trawl even further down the averages to find his batting, 62 runs in 7 innings at 15.50 with a top score of 27.
Moriarty's batting and bowling figures are in fact worse, though he has taken 10 wickets, and has bowled in a holding role on some occasions.
Dare we go without a recognised spinner and leave it to Adam Lyth (8 wickets at 16.00 off 34 overs).
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Post by davemorton on Aug 20, 2024 20:23:25 GMT
I think Moriarty is the better of the two spinners, but Bess is certainly more than okay, and his genuinely good batting and fielding are huge assets. Leaving Dom out is not the path I would have taken.
But now they have left Dom out, surely they can't leave Dan out as well? Perhaps Hill and Thompson are vulnerable? But George is coming off a six-for, and Jordan was showing signs of good form with both bat and ball before he was taken from us. The 'easy' (cowardly?) decision would be to omit Ben Cliff, but he looks like the future of Yorkshire bowling, moving forward, as they say.
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