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Post by slowleftarmer on Sept 9, 2024 9:10:32 GMT
i still like test cricket - but some people need to learn to respect the game and the opposition better, be able to adapt and recognise that entertainment is clearly a priority but playing the best way to win is also another
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Post by newby on Sept 9, 2024 13:56:30 GMT
Walk in the park for Sri Lanka so well done to them. England should have, could have, won but the lack of intensity was their downfall.
I think Joe Root needs some more practice and should be turning out for us next week.
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Post by byased on Sept 9, 2024 22:19:37 GMT
Test cricket is just for entertainment as far as I can see, a good day out in corporate hospitality, or a day out with the lads. I think results ceased to matter some years ago, main thing is the revenue it produces. County cricket is supposed to be there to produce test players apparently. The last two selections, Smith and Hull, have hardly played any county cricket. Test matches only last three days, so why are we still playing four day county cricket? ECB seem more mixed up than ever, if that is possible.
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Post by slowleftarmer on Sept 10, 2024 6:22:11 GMT
and with that mentality we will never qualify let alone win the test championship match every 2 years will we!
I doubt the Indian and Aussie teams think along the same ways.
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Post by newby on Sept 10, 2024 7:51:00 GMT
You are right SLA, it's a hole English cricket has dug for itself as it becomes ever more obsessed with the Ashes.
I can't see any signs that they may stop digging anytime soon.
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Post by newby on Sept 10, 2024 14:32:52 GMT
Lawrence the main casualty of the next England reset for the trip to Pakistan. Rehan Ahmed and Jack Leach reinforce the spin bowling, with Ben Stokes and Zak Crawley returning from injury. Unless he's changed his name I presume it's Brydon Carse who goes as an extra bowler.
England squad for Test series against Pakistan courtesy of the BBC:
Ben Stokes (capt), Rehan Ahmed, Gus Atkinson, Shoaib Bashir, Harry Brook, Bryson Carse, Jordan Cox, Zak Crawley, Ben Duckett, Josh Hull, Jack Leach, Ollie Pope, Matthew Potts, Joe Root, Jamie Smith, Olly Stone, Chris Woakes.
It looks to cover all the bases.
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Post by slowleftarmer on Sept 10, 2024 14:35:12 GMT
and no Bairstow - probably viewed as not being a great tourist as a back up player.
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Post by tykemania on Sept 12, 2024 9:34:08 GMT
and no Bairstow - probably viewed as not being a great tourist as a back up player. English cricket really has shot itself in the foot with Jonny, I don't think I have ever seen a player, and certainly not one who has been part of the set up for many years, treated so badly. Up the order, down the order, gloves, no gloves, in, out... Is it selfish to hope he has a nice big chip on his shoulder over this?
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Post by davemorton on Sept 12, 2024 15:31:02 GMT
I have to admit pleasure at the arrogant Test team losing to Sri Lanka, who might have had a chance with decent acclimatisation and practice before the 1st Test. Fourth game on tour, ready for action, but we had lost before we even started.
It will be the same for England in Pakistan, the same for India over here next summer. It makes sense. Let the home team win, supporters are happy, money, money, money.
Then we'll go to Australia and get absolutely buried, with this team. Perhaps. Top three batting? Well, it could just work. The tall commanding opener, like a right-handed Hayden; aggressive Warner-like little left-hander. If they do come off, the stroke-playing Pope will be fine. Then the powerhouse middle of Root, Stokes, Brook and Smith - that's the best part, but not if we're going to be 20 for three every innings.
Then the bowling. Wood, if fit, and Atkinson. Okay. The promise of Stone, the possibility of Archer, and perhaps a Potts or someone? It could work. I am optimistic about the young spinners, Bashir and Rehan Ahmed. They should consider Carson, too. What has happened to Hartley? Drowned in a sinking Lancashire side, I suppose.
I think we could do it. Better chance with some significant warm-up games. When we won the Ashes in 1928/29, the 1st Test was the 7th f-c fixture. But does anyone really care, as long as it makes money? Obviously the fans, who have travelled at great personal expense, but who gives a flying fortress about them?
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Post by slowleftarmer on Sept 13, 2024 8:12:22 GMT
Good summary Dave.
Hartley was doomed from the minute Lancs signed Nathan Lyon. He should have gone out on loan but did of course carry drinks for the England white ball team in the World Cup in the Caribbean in the early summer months. Last week he conceded a 100 plus runs against Durham in their innings. Will he become another Chris Schofield or Simon Kerrigan or could he come back stronger from the experience and perhaps be another Graeme Swann?
Nice comparisons of our top 3 against the Aussies but I would be happier if one of them was more like Usman Khawaja and provided some steel and consistency but thats not going to happen is it. Lees perhaps?
And who knows which seamers will be fit, in form and selected. This last few years we must have seen nearly 20 of them given opportunities.
Anderson (still one of the best 4 based on quality) Woakes - surely not an option for Australia? Atkinson - needs to maintain his promising start over a period of time now and see how he does outside of England Potts - poorly treated by England in only getting one game this summer but responded well this week! Carse - not quite sure about him yet Sam Curran - the Hull selection for red ball cricket might be a signal as to the selectors views on him in the Test side Hull - early promise but raw and will be interesting to see how he develops - but he has to play games! Wood - a must but has to be fit of course Tongue - missing in (in) action this summer Pennington - has failed to make the starting grid to date Stone - if he can stay fit now then he has to be a candidate Mahmood - perhaps his time has come and gone and he is white ball only Fisher - we all know the challenges here Turner - keeps getting into squads but not yet really had a chance to show anything Overton - which one are we considering - probably the Surrey one of course....
and then the ones Key has written off but keep on performing to stay on the radar - Cook, Porter, Coad.....
I have probably missed a few more and there will be a few more who might yet be late runners. Alex Green at Leicestershire impressed me at Scarborough but is only 17, Aspinwall is getting a chance at Lancashire and Harry Moore at Derbyshire is gaining some support.
But preparation is key (although its probably Key who will fail to address this). Some competitive warm up games before the first test to acclimatise are a must, but highly unlikely to happen now. Just look at how the Windies and Sri Lanka had improved by their 3rd test compared to their slow starts in the first tests this summer
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