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Post by newby on Oct 20, 2023 8:34:08 GMT
I keep looking for any news on players being 'let go' So far no news, which is good news.
The BBC Counties in and out column has outs for every county except us and Sussex.
Are we late, or are we sticking with all the players we have. I'm beginning to think it's the latter.
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Post by hawke on Oct 20, 2023 11:09:20 GMT
I imagine all our players, including younger ones, have at least another year left on their contracts. DG has said we are not looking to make overseas signings til the new year when the picture is clearer…. He also said we have been turned down by some players because of the uncertainty of the potential points deduction…..
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Post by tbsteve on Oct 21, 2023 5:10:27 GMT
I thought Shutt was out of contract and the decision to extend or not would be at the end of the season.
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Post by newby on Oct 21, 2023 7:54:48 GMT
I'm not really sure how it works. I presume they make players available on some sort of cricketers jobsite first in the hope that a new County comes in for them. If no takers I suppose it's then that players are released.
Interesting on the Yorkshire website, they have all the players under a 1st team banner, which is quite a new development and I'm not sure when it changed.
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Post by hawke on Oct 31, 2023 8:50:38 GMT
I see the Lanksters have signed Nathan Lyon for all CC matches. So he is going to OT for 2 spells then. Not the greatest times for a spinner but they will be hoping he has a similar effect to Harmer at Essex. Parkinson left didn’t he. Chapple too.
We signed Moriarty from Surrey. English born grew up and learned his cricket in South Africa. Curious one as we have Bess and Short. Bess is a good CC player despite poor form with the ball early in 2023 whilst Shutt must think his opportunities are even more limited. Young spinners coming through will think likewise. Hope we don’t have a situation as years ago when we signed Stemp and lost Batty, Keedy and Middlebrook.
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Post by newby on Oct 31, 2023 10:32:19 GMT
I did read somewhere that Lyon was finding it difficult to come back following his injury. Good luck to him, it does seem like quite a strange signing though.
Darren Gough seems to have a theory that a left arm spinner is just what Yorkshire need, perhaps he gave up looking for a left arm seamer.
I'm not sure because I haven't seen enough of him really but Shutt I think is thought of as a decent bowler, but difficult to pick as he can barely hold a bat and is poor in the field.
He hasn't been released so perhaps they are trying to improve those aspects of his game this winter. T20 seemed to be his best chance, you could probably go with one useless batsman but you can't really carry anyone in the field.
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Post by karma on Oct 31, 2023 13:05:49 GMT
I thought DG and OG were saying we need a batsman but they were going to wait until nearer the new season.
I took this to be a signal that Malan would not be available for red-ball cricket if the strong rumours that he's looking for a white-ball only contract, like Rashid prove true. I've said it before but I feel, like Rashid it will be a contract primarily in name only and that neither will play much , if any,white ball for Yorkshire.
Like Rashid , Malan is getting on a bit , has 'niggles' and I wouldn't blame him for trying to manage his remaining playing years. I don't like it however.
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Post by donnylad on Oct 31, 2023 20:01:11 GMT
Interesting about Malan - he is getting on but as we have seen recently when he gets going ...! Still keeps nicking off or nicking onto the stumps though. Has anyone any idea why Joe Lad is in such a poor trot? Everyone has them but this seems the worst I have seen for a while.
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Post by davemorton on Oct 31, 2023 22:21:24 GMT
I was wondering about Joe. His batting was always based on old fashioned first principles, but always with a ++ extra that made him special. Better than Boycott, for example. The very first time I saw him, when he was 16 and tiny, he made 80-odd against Durham Academy, and made them fairly slowly because he couldn't pierce the field. However, even then, he played a reverse sweep or two. I knew then that I had seen something special. His spectacular Test career came as no surprise, nor did his failure as captain, to be honest. He has never come across as a thinker, again in contrast to Boycott, whose problem as a captain was that people detested him, not that he couldn't think. Then came Bazball, which no one has embraced more enthusiastically than Joe, who now feels able to indulge himself with no fear of failure, and who is such a genius he rarely fails anyway. Moving on, I feel he has forgotten those first principles that kick started his career, and he is getting into his mid thirties, when perhaps he is losing the brilliance of youth? Photo from 2007. Click for full size. Attachments:
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Post by newby on Oct 31, 2023 22:27:57 GMT
The brains trust on Sky the other day reckoned that Joe lad is completely burnt out. Their theory is it's because he's been so desperate to re-ignite, or should that be ignite, his T20 career he's not spending enough time chilling out at home. Whether he wants to play in the next T20 world cup or because he's miffed he hasn't been able to do a Kane Williamson in the IPL I couldn't say.
Talking about chilling out at home, Malan confirmed his retirement from first class cricket today, though he did say he might unretire. Keeping his options open. Main reason according to him, touring and franchise cricket in the winter keeps him away from home, so he wants to spend time at home when the County Championship is on.
I suspect if one of the new franchises offers him a gig during the CC season he will be off like a shot.
Player power, I'm not against it but I suspect it won't end well.
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Post by tbsteve on Nov 1, 2023 11:12:08 GMT
News is finally announced, Shutt and Fraine are released.
I'm a little sad by that. I always felt there was a good player in Fraine but he got messed around a lot. Shutt also never got a fair run, and i dont see Moriarty as an upgrade.
But at least they finally announced it.
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Post by hawke on Nov 1, 2023 11:18:38 GMT
Yes always a sad moment. They indeed were the 2 most vulnerable. Wharton and Luxton are rated above Fraine whilst Shutt has been. well, shut out by the arrival of Moriarty and Chohan.
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Post by tykemania on Nov 1, 2023 11:52:59 GMT
Sad for Shutt and Fraine -but I think in both instances I think the right decision. Shutt, as mentioned above, is hamstrung by his poor skill sets with the bat and in the field and our three other spinners - neatly, one right, one left and a leggie - are all better bowlers too (Steve is wrong, Moriarty is a proper bowler who will do a great job for us). Fraine never really settled into a role for us - he had a decent run as a Championship opener, then came back a year later as a 20 over finisher. I fancy he might get picked up by another county for the white ball game next season.
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Post by karma on Nov 1, 2023 12:00:15 GMT
Yes thank goodness we don't have to make these decisions. Luxton and Wharton have moved forward this season.
Fraine has not and he's had a few years in that position. He's also getting older which makes him less attractive to Yorkshire and sadly to prospective employers.
Shutt has been been unlucky in that other moves by Yorkshire have limited his chances. I like him and I hope he and Fraine can move on to new highs elsewhere.
It's a cruel sport when these things happen. Why it has taken so long to come to this I don't know
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Post by byased on Nov 1, 2023 12:29:15 GMT
Fraine was an odd signing at the time, don't think he had done anything to suggest he was going to be a top player. I think he was struggling to get a game at Notts at the time. Previously he had played in the Birmingham league, in the same team as my son and son in law, and did not look any better than them, and they only play in their spare time.
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