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Post by hawke on Sept 15, 2024 11:49:04 GMT
Mmmm, we still seem to like Yorkshire born players to do well, which is ok I guess. I would prefer the actual Yorkshire team to do well, especially in the shorter form, regardless of where they come from. Ha! I’m not normally so generous but we are so hopeless at qualifying in T20 and the final was between 2 teams not in our group so I’m relieved Yorkshire trained cricketers can achieve at this form of the game
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Post by davemorton on Sept 15, 2024 13:51:26 GMT
Winning with imported players is the franchise mentality. We've won, but who exactly are we?
Some Counties have small populations and relatively few affiliated clubs, and in any case I would not like to preclude players born outside the f-c Counties. That Jack Hobbs could have been lost to the game because he was born in Cambridge was insanely stupid. He had to qualify for Surrey, and could not have played for Yorkshire!
I don't want to go back to that, but I am encouraged that Yorkshire's improved Championship form has been achieved by players born and bred, all barring Masood and the two spinners. There were ten of us in the team that beat Leicestershire, and I applaud the efforts being made by the likes of Gloucestershire and Sussex to develop their own.
Real teams are the soul of sport, and franchises are soulless creations of crocodile-hearted accountants.
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Post by karma on Sept 15, 2024 20:03:31 GMT
I think it is perfectly natural to wish for and take pride in a Yorkshire team made up of entirely of Yorkshire born players.
It will be increasingly hard but not impossible to get 11 Yorkshire born players turning out in the same team for Yorkshire, but selected upon merit.
I realise some people will be uneasy in wishing for this to come about. It has nothing to do with being racist more to do with pride in Yorkshire men or Yorkshire women playing in a 'Yorkshire' team. I would be uneasy however if the best players in the squad were not selected because they were not Yorkshire born
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Post by byased on Sept 15, 2024 20:50:19 GMT
I agree wholeheartedly with Dave in terms of franchises, players coming and going with no connection with a particular team, especially teams with silly names. I do, though, think that a proper club should do it all it can to be successful, because that will bring the best out of its home grown players. Yorkshire is the only county with the "us and them" approach. It worked well in the past, but has been a failure in real terms for the last 50 odd years. I admire people who have to leave their birthplace to make a success of themselves, or even to survive, and provide for their family. A nucleus of home grown talent is fine, and Yorkshire is a big county in terms of population, so we should be able to find some talent. But we need to be welcoming to others, which we have failed at by and large. I don't like the premier league football set up with mercenaries coming and going, but there can be a balance, and other counties have achieved that, even though we look down our noses at them because they are not home grown. If we were successful we could get away with that. We are not successful even though we have tried bringing in overseas players for a few games and signings from other counties in recent years. I like being a Yorkshireman, and play up to the Monty Python typecast when it suits. I would much prefer being able to do so if the cricket team were better than they have been for so long.
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Post by newby on Sept 16, 2024 8:16:33 GMT
I agree entirely. It's a very large chip we carry on our shoulders, and though it may never completely go away it's good to be aware that it's there.
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Post by tykemania on Sept 16, 2024 10:36:15 GMT
Personally I think there is nothing wrong with players not born in Yorkshire moving to play for the county, provided they understand what a privilege it is to represent us. I have more of an issue when we parachute players in for a game or two, especially when they are little better than our home grown youngsters or brought in to satisfy a political itch. Our best recent sides have featured the former players - Lehmann (and in many ways Michael Bevan before him) and Kirby were a big part of our turn of the century successes and Kane Williamson, Gary Ballance and Jack Brooks (I'm classing Plunkett as a tyke) performed similarly important roles in our dominant side of a decade ago.
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Post by davemorton on Sept 16, 2024 11:41:41 GMT
The original reason for having overseas players has gone. Back in the late 20th century, you would be playing against Sobers or Hadlee and Rice one week, then against Lloyd and Patterson, then Garner and Richards. There was no respite. Every County had a great overseas player, sometimes more than one, and often they were match-winning fast bowlers; Garth le Roux, Sarfraz Nawaz, Michael Holding, Colin Croft, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Curtly Ambrose, Malcolm Marshall...and probably ten others, if not twenty.
That no longer applies. Bancroft and Zafar Gohar are not exactly Procter and Walsh, and Du Plooy is not van der Byl or Wayne Daniel. The other teams' overseas players are mostly journeyman pros. We, actually, have got one of the very best currently around.
The reason we do need to buy into this market, still, is that our home produced stars no longer play for us. Even then, Shan Masood nowhere near compensates for the absence of Root, Brook and Rashid. He has filled a need, but please let's not go down the route of Handscomb, Bancroft and the like. Let us put our faith in Bean, Wharton, Vagadia and Luxton, and in Cliff with the ball. We recognised our weakness in bowling, and Milnes (but for injury), Bess and Moriarty, and possibly Chohan, have been good signings.
I will support any player wearing Yorkshire colours, but I would prefer that player to be homegrown (raised, rather than born), and that we should take care before signing any Tom, Dick, Poysden or Pillans.
It is an English failing (though not usually a Yorkshire one) to think anyone with an exotic name is automatically better than our own. Giuseppe Verdi is better than Joe Green. Reverse racism. Antoine du Pont is better than Tony Bridge. Who's Tony Bridge, after all?
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Post by byased on Sept 16, 2024 22:23:10 GMT
yes, to think Gary Sobers was keen to play for us after his spell with the team on the North American tour. our committee at the time have a lot to answer for.
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